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re: Congratulations Chicago Bears-You had the #1 pick and drafted
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:41 pm to TigerMan327
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:41 pm to TigerMan327
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Not a single person would prefer Jayden Daniels offensive pieces over Williams.
I didn’t say that. I said half this board would have you believe the bears skill players are elite. That’s not really the case, but you were one adding to that narrative, though now you’re crawfishing
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OL might be a different story but I cant name a single OL from either team so I won’t argue that
That’s kind of important, no?
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? He’s better than Ekeler today.
Washington’s backs with Ekler and Robinson Jr are better than Chicago’s backs. I don’t know how you could argue otherwise
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just responding to your comment trying to pretend Williams doesn’t have great weapons
He doesn’t have great weapons. That’s a fact. Slightly above league average weapons? MAYBE at best
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 11:42 pm
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Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:43 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You still haven’t convinced me tbh
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Many on this board would have you believe this years bears are a kin to the greatest show on turf minus the qb.
No one is saying this. The point is that with better QB, the Bears would be more efficient & productive offensive with the skill positions players they have if the QB play was better. Nothing more. Nothing less.
The entire offense looks discombobulated at times because Williams inability to read pressure looks & coverages. And because of his inability to read pressures & the accumulation of the sacks he's taken this season, he scrambles himself into pressure & sacks.
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but yall act like it’s over
Acting like what is over?
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he hasn’t even finished him rookie season
He has one game left this season. I'm not sure how this has anything to do with anything.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:49 pm to BigBrod81
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No one is saying this
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just responding to your comment trying to pretend Williams doesn’t have great weapons
???
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The point is that with better QB, the Bears would be more efficient & productive offensive with the skill positions players they have if the QB play was better.
They would still suck with a league average qb
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:49 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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What? Blitz every play because the o line can’t block and the play calling sucks?
Defenses blitz the hell out of him because Williams can't make proper reads & change line protections. The play calling sucks for the same reason. Their staff had to dumb down the playbook because of Williams.
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They’re a terrible football organization
FIFY
Williams had no business being the starting QB this season when it is obvious he wasn't prepared mentally to do so. That's on both the coaching staff & FO.
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:51 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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That’s kind of important, no?
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I didn’t say that. I said half this board would have you believe the bears skill players are elite. That’s not really the case, but you were one adding to that narrative, though now you’re crawfishing
Crawfishing on what exactly?
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That’s kind of important, no?
OL is important, which is why I never said anything about Caleb Williams having a better one :) and have kept my argument about offensive weapons
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Washington’s backs with Ekler and Robinson Jr are better than Chicago’s backs. I don’t know how you could argue otherwise
The combination of their 2 backs can be argued to better than the Bears #1 back. That doesn’t mean Swift is not a great offensive weapon. 1000 yard rusher with good catching ability.
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He doesn’t have great weapons. That’s a fact. Slightly above league average weapons? MAYBE at best
Lol you’re crazy. Caleb Williams has two WRs who had 1200+ yards last year. I bet you can guess how many other QBs in the league can say the same (zero).
He also has a 1k rusher and a TE who was top 10 in receiving last year. Then you throw a 1st round rookie WR as an extra.
You can’t name 5 teams in the entire NFL that started the season with a better combination of production from their offensive weapons.
But hey, they are just AVERAGE bc Caleb Williams couldn’t do anything with it.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:54 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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just responding to your comment trying to pretend Williams doesn’t have great weapons
That wasn't my post so try again.
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They would still suck with a league average qb
They would easily be hovering around .500 with better QB play & coaching.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:57 pm to chalmetteowl
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The Bears have been around 100+ years and have still never had a 4k yard passing season
Even Broadway Joe had a 4k season.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 11:58 pm to TigerMan327
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The combination of their 2 backs can be argued to better than the Bears #1 back.
The bears only have 1 back that plays
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That doesn’t mean Swift is not a great offensive weapon.
He’s not. So you just don’t know what you’re talking about, this makes that a whole lot easier.
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1000 yard rusher with good catching ability.
Not a thousand yard rusher and the same receiving yards as ekler who you say isn’t good anymore.
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Caleb Williams has two WRs who had 1200+ yards last year.
Allen has been healthy all year so this statement is pointless. I’m beginning to think you don’t actually watch the games
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You can’t name 5 teams in the entire NFL that started the season with a better combination of production from their offensive weapons.
Detroit
Philly
Tampa
San Francisco
Cincinnati
Minnesota
Rams
Off the top of my head
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:10 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Detroit Philly Tampa San Francisco Cincinnati Minnesota Rams Off the top of my head
You’d be wrong.
Detroit, Philly, Bengals, Rams, Minnesota, and Tampas guys did not out produce the Bears top guys
You’re thinking name recognition. We talking actual stats over here bawww
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 12:13 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:14 am to TigerMan327
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Detroit, Philly, Bengals, Rams, Minnesota, and Tampas guys did not out produce the Bears top guys
You keep hopping back and forth in the argument you are trying to make.
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You’re thinking name recognition
Uses Keenan Allen and Deandre swift as his argument
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 12:15 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:17 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Lol how so. I said he had better weapons and argued so by providing their production numbers.
I then stated that there were no 5 teams in the NFL who started the season with better production from their offensive weapons.
I then stated that all your examples did not beat their guys production.
You are making up shite. I have stated the same thing over and over yet you pretend I’m moving goal posts.
It’s ok to be wrong. It’s ok Caleb Williams didn’t succeed his rookie year. It’s ok to admit he joined a team that was 7-10 last year and he was given an even better roster and got worse results.
It doesn’t mean his career is over. He’s still got a shot and so do you my sweet child.
I use their stats my friend.
I then stated that there were no 5 teams in the NFL who started the season with better production from their offensive weapons.
I then stated that all your examples did not beat their guys production.
You are making up shite. I have stated the same thing over and over yet you pretend I’m moving goal posts.
It’s ok to be wrong. It’s ok Caleb Williams didn’t succeed his rookie year. It’s ok to admit he joined a team that was 7-10 last year and he was given an even better roster and got worse results.
It doesn’t mean his career is over. He’s still got a shot and so do you my sweet child.
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Uses Keenan Allen and Deandre swift as his argument
I use their stats my friend.
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 12:19 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:21 am to TigerMan327
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use their stats my friend
Which is fricking retarded and why I’m done with the conversation. You are really going to sit here and say you’d rather have the Bears skill players than:
St Brown
Gibbs
Montgomery
Williams
Laporta
Insane. Keenan Allen and swift weren’t even on the bears last year
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 12:23 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:25 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Which is fricking retarded and why I’m done with the conversation.
You think it’s stupid to use statistics, which are actual facts in a debate? Interesting.
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You are really going to sit here and say you’d rather have the Bears skill players than
I never said that at all. Maybe one day you will learn how to read properly
Until then I guess we can all agree that you indeed are
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fricking retarded
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Insane. Keenan Allen and swift weren’t even on the bears last year
Dude that’s literally the point. He got better weapons and they got worse.
I’m just going to assume you’re drunk because you obviously aren’t following along here. Go get some rest big dog. You earned it
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 12:27 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:25 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You are really going to sit here and say you’d rather have the Bears skill players than:
St Brown
Gibbs
Montgomery
Williams
Laporta
Nowhere in any of his posts did he say that. Stop making stuff up & moving the goal posts.
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 12:31 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:31 am to TigerMan327
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You think it’s stupid to use statistics, which are actual facts in a debate? Interesting.
Yes I think using healthy Keenan Allen on the chargers in 2023 as part of an argument about the 2024 bears with an unhealthy Keenan Allen is stupid.
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Nowhere in any of his posts did he say that.
You’re right, he couldn’t make a coherent argument and kept jumping back and forth Mingo regrets the error
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 12:32 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 12:39 am to UnluckyTiger
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Jayden is doing more with less. That oline was one of the worst in the league last year along with an awful defense. He has lifted up that team like true franchise QBs can do for a team.
Washington had already started turning the corner, but they needed a qb, and they got the best one in the draft.
Damn, I wish he'd gone to the Steelers. They'd be the best team in the AFC right now.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:58 am to Dr Lecter
Not really, he went back to bad pretty quickly after two "okay" performances vs KC and TB.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 4:30 am to Double Oh
CW sucks but the whole bears organization is absolutely terrible.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 5:07 am to Lolathon234
quote:Except for Daniels throwing 100 fewer passes, completion percentage 8 points higher, a full yard more per attempt, and 300 more rushing yards.
Their stats are comparable
This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 5:09 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 6:09 am to Mingo Was His NameO
RB: Swift, Johnson
WR: Allen, Moore, Odunze
TE: Kmet, Everett
RB: Robinson, Ekeler
WR: McLaurin, Crowder, Brown
TE: Ertz, Bates
I'd say Daniels has the better RB duo with Williams having the better pass catching group. Having a mobile QB helps the OLine as it allows him a bit more time than a pocket passer which gives him more time to throw.
WR: Allen, Moore, Odunze
TE: Kmet, Everett
RB: Robinson, Ekeler
WR: McLaurin, Crowder, Brown
TE: Ertz, Bates
I'd say Daniels has the better RB duo with Williams having the better pass catching group. Having a mobile QB helps the OLine as it allows him a bit more time than a pocket passer which gives him more time to throw.
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