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re: Comparing MJ and Lebron
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:53 pm to Basura Blanco
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:53 pm to Basura Blanco
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If you are implying race, you are making some ignorant arse assumptions that are too stupidly false for me to justify. If you mean by being a better fit on the teams in which they played, yes its about more than "the game" or stats. And that goes for Magic even more so.
Race wasn't the implication. I would say the same thing about Wilt, it has to be more about on-court results because Lebron beats Wilt in terms of team success. When these weird top 5 lists come up defining criteria become this moving target where they matter in one case, but they don't in this other comparison.
I don't think you're in the minority at all. People that don't even have Lebron in the top 5 have to mix and match criteria to keep him out of it. You could move him down a lot further than top 10 if creating these lists is about finding one thing that another player did better.
You said Bird "made his team better." While that has also been said about Lebron, you think Bird has done it better. Ok, but there's no way to really measure that or test your assertion (I would think assists speaks to that which Lebron averaged more of), so it's really not about on-court play, it's about this nebulous idea that can't be proven one way or the other.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 2:00 pm
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:57 pm to Gtothemoney
quote:Anyone who thinks this in either direction is too biased to have a rational conversation about the 2.
Lebron will never be GOAT. It’s Jordan, end of discussion.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:58 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:Oh, Michael Jordan didn't play in the 80s where no defense was ever played?
There is no comparison. One played when defense was a thing in the NBA and had to earn his points.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:58 pm to Gtothemoney
I have Said MJ is 1 and Lebron is 2.
I’ve also said the gap between 2 and 3 is a lot bigger than the gap between 1 and 2. I don’t think Lebron can catch MJ at this point.
I’ve also said the gap between 2 and 3 is a lot bigger than the gap between 1 and 2. I don’t think Lebron can catch MJ at this point.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:00 pm to Gtothemoney
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:02 pm to shel311
By position is better and an All-Time Starting Five is more fun. Wilt or Hakeem? Most should agree LeBron has taken the 3 from Larry, but maybe you think Larry is so important you flex him to 4 over Duncan. I choose my controversy at the PG. Sorry Magic.
Stockton
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LeBron
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Wilt
Stockton
Jordan
LeBron
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:02 pm to Green Chili Tiger
The teams Jordan beat had a lower efficiency, because Jordan beat them.
The teams who beat lebron had a higher efficient, because they waxed the floor with lebrons team.
That 14 spurs team went 7 in rd 1 with an oh so average mavericks team.
The teams who beat lebron had a higher efficient, because they waxed the floor with lebrons team.
That 14 spurs team went 7 in rd 1 with an oh so average mavericks team.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:05 pm to Goldrush25
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Race wasn't the implication
Good deal, the sense that it could be, especially in the sport of basketball, is well...nonsensical.
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You said Bird "made his team better." While that has also been said about Lebron, you think Bird has done it better.
Exactly. Which is why I admit that I am biased as it is unmeasurable and purely ones opinion.
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People that don't even have Lebron in the top 5 have to mix and match criteria to keep him out of it.
While I am not making any conscious effort to keep him off of my totally irrelevant list, I agree that there is definitely an eye test element to my (or anyone's) top 5 list. If that is what you mean by mixing and matching criteria...guilty.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:08 pm to Boomshockalocka
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The teams Jordan beat had a lower efficiency, because Jordan beat them.
The teams who beat lebron had a higher efficient, because they waxed the floor with lebrons team.
That 14 spurs team went 7 in rd 1 with an oh so average mavericks team.
But you can clearly read that every team that Lebron beat has a higher efficiency than any teams MJ beat. In several cases you can add the efficiency of two of MJ's opponents and it doesn't add to one of Lebron's.
This type of blatant ignoring of the facts is what makes these conversations pointless. But go ahead, shift the goal posts to something else now.
The people that just admit their bias are much better than ones like you that cherry-pick stats.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:10 pm to SammyTiger
there is no comparison.
just like there is no comparison with Kareem and Shaq.
It's just people stirring up different conversations to try to make something out of absolutely nothing.
Some of the dumbest conversations.
just like there is no comparison with Kareem and Shaq.
It's just people stirring up different conversations to try to make something out of absolutely nothing.
Some of the dumbest conversations.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:11 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:That’s fine. He’s still up there and was the best player in the league for a shockingly long time.
He has not been best player in the league in many years.
I’m sports, the longevity discussion is typically reserved for good players who were blessed enough to play for a LONG time and eventually accrue impressive stats because of time.
Lebron shouldn’t be anywhere near that conversation.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:12 pm to Goldrush25
Many of Those teams had better point differentials v lebrons teams than they had against their other opponents. The difference is as high as it it is bc they blew out lebrons team, not bc they blew out everyone else. That is incredibly misleading.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:12 pm to Gtothemoney
4 championships, 3 legit, 1 gifted, is not going to cut it. He needs 4 more to ever be considered. Kareem was never consider the GOAT after Michael and he held the scoring record and has 6 titles. If anything it should be Kareem battling Michael for that title, not Lebron.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:20 pm to Boomshockalocka
Also fyi first round series were best of 5 then. Now best of 7. One less game for the teams in the 90s to inflate the ratings v the weaker opponent.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:23 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Many of Those teams had better point differentials v lebrons teams than they had against their other opponents. The difference is as high as it it is bc they blew out lebrons team, not bc they blew out everyone else. That is incredibly misleading.
Ah I get it, stats are misleading when they don't confirm what you're spouting.
I'll believe the ones you say are valid and disregard the ones that are misleading.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:28 pm to Goldrush25
The spurs won by an average of 2 points per game in rd 1 over dallas. They beat lebron by an average of 14 points per game. They inflated the stats against lebron. No one was inflating these rating v bulls bc they were getting blasted by Mike. How about you show what the net differential was PRIOR to the finals. That would be more accurate.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:36 pm to Gaggle
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Jordan had a dynasty with the garbage team that drafted him with overall skimpier rosters playing against more overall robust teams. Just him and Scottie, 1 or 2 role players and a bunch of scrubs.
You wanna talk about scrubs??? Name me one player on the Cavs team that would have started for any other team in the NBA doing Lebron's first stint.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:44 pm to TeamLSU
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Name me one player on the Cavs team that would have started for any other team in the NBA doing Lebron's first stint.
Carlos Boozer
Ilgauskas
Larry Hughes averages 22 PPG the season before he played for the Cavs.
Delong’s West
Mo Williams
Antwan Jamison
Idk how you can say that when he had a good number of teammates who were starters on other teams before signing with the Cavs. And After they left the Cavs.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:50 pm to TeamLSU
Ilgauskas
Varejao
Szczerbiak
And they traded for a guy who DID start Ben Wallace then traded him for another starter Shaq. There's more. That's a ridiculous question.
There's no point anyways, they didn't win a title. Being on a bad roster and not winning isn't a credit, and certainly doesn't compare to a fairly weak roster 3-peat, a whole lot of players have been the best player on bad rosters and won no titles.
Varejao
Szczerbiak
And they traded for a guy who DID start Ben Wallace then traded him for another starter Shaq. There's more. That's a ridiculous question.
There's no point anyways, they didn't win a title. Being on a bad roster and not winning isn't a credit, and certainly doesn't compare to a fairly weak roster 3-peat, a whole lot of players have been the best player on bad rosters and won no titles.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:55 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I will say, Kareem is criminally underrated, and I'd argue he has just as good an argument as either MJ or Lebron.
I’ve also said the gap between 2 and 3 is a lot bigger than the gap between 1 and 2.
That's if you're only doing NBA. If you're just doing best basketball player ever, I think it's Kareem and it's not even close. GOAT high school player, GOAT college player, then his NBA accomplishments.
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