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re: Columbus, OH becoming a Major League City?
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:48 am to Buckeye Backer
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:48 am to Buckeye Backer
Assuming they get rid the Reds and Indians, sure.
The state, which is dying, is consolidating in Columbus. I can't imagine they'll be bringing more franchises to Ohio.
The state, which is dying, is consolidating in Columbus. I can't imagine they'll be bringing more franchises to Ohio.
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Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:48 am to Buckeye Backer
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I hear people all the time talking about wanting a NBA team.
I hardly hear this. Do me a favor next time your come across those people, punch them in the face.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:48 am to Buckeye Backer
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A couple of counties were just added to the Columbus MSA recently
Ok...
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:50 am to Buckeye Backer
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Columbus has a MSA of 2.3 Million...and growing! Also Columbus is larger then:
Kansas City
New Orleans
Milwaukee
Indianapolis
Charlotte
Nashville
All have 2 of the Big 3 sports
I think we are missing you on this. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG THE CITY IS AS MUCH AS YOU THINK IT DOES. From the other cities you put up there, how many have other cities with multiple pro teams within 200 miles?
What matters is the geographic footprint, and sadly, Columbus is between Cleveland and Cinci. Both those teams have NFL and MLB franchises. The Cavs have an NBA team.
As stated earlier, if you could repick today where you would put the Bengals/Browns/Cavs/Reds/Indians/Blue Jackets, you may well put more in Columbus.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 9:55 am
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:53 am to kilo
Football would do well here as it wouldn't compete with Saturday's with Ohio state and Ohio loves football. But an NBA team would have terrible attendance numbers unless on a championship run and I wouldn't want it.
An MLB team could do well-ish(again, probably only during a good season), but baseball is a dying sport so I don't see them adding a third team to the state.
An MLB team could do well-ish(again, probably only during a good season), but baseball is a dying sport so I don't see them adding a third team to the state.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:55 am to Buckeye06
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think we are missing you on this. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG THE CITY IS AS MUCH AS YOU THINK IT DOES.
Yes it does. It most certainly has a bearing on how much a metro area can financially support multiple big time sports during the same time period.
You would have a metro area of 1.85 million people trying to support college football, college basketball, NHL and NBA all during the same periods of the season. Its about $$$ and that dynamic is VERY important whether you want to admit that or not.
St Louis Metro is much more compact and larger and its stretched thin supporting the NHL and the NFL during the fall.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:02 am to kilo
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You would have a metro area of 1.85 million people trying to support college football, college basketball, NHL and NBA all during the same periods of the season. Its about $$$ and that dynamic is VERY important whether you want to admit that or not.
I am not saying size isn't important at all. But it is secondary to the leagues wanting to be geographically spread out.
Why wouldn't S.A., Austin, and Houston all have 4 teams from all the major sports organizations? They are all larger than Memphis and N.O etc. It's because Texas isn't the only state that has viewers and they want to get the entire country interested in the sport.
I'm not discounting population being important, more just saying that because other cities in the state have pro franchises already, the chances Columbus gets it because it has a large population doesn't hold as much weight
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:05 am to Buckeye Backer
Y'all just want someone else to cheer for besides the lousy Cavaliers.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:12 am to Korin
I'd also add to the discussion that a good number of the Cinci/CLE fan base lives outside of those cities(with a lot being in Columbus). Adding a pro team here would certainly split that out-of-city support.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:14 am to Buckeye06
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am not saying size isn't important at all. But it is secondary to the leagues wanting to be geographically spread out.
Its all comes into play. Financial viability of a franchise is priority number one however.
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Why wouldn't S.A., Austin, and Houston all have 4 teams from all the major sports organizations? They are all larger than Memphis and N.O etc. It's because Texas isn't the only state that has viewers and they want to get the entire country interested in the sport.
You are reaching here. You need to look at population and economic factors in the cities you are bringing up in Texas.
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m not discounting population being important, more just saying that because other cities in the state have pro franchises already, the chances Columbus gets it because it has a large population doesn't hold as much weight
This is starting to sound like and inferiority complex driven thread. "Its not us, its Cincinnati and Cleveland"
I think the first a largest pause for any owner looking to move an NBA team to Columbus would be its size comparative to the number of big time sports in a compact part of the calendar year.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:14 am to Buckeye Backer
This tread was a good laugh.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:21 am to Buckeye Backer
Columbus is definitely growing. But NE Ohio has somewhere in the vicinity of 4 million people and is physically smaller than Greater Houston, Greater Dallas-Fort worth, Greater Phoenix and other new-age metros. That's the biggest market and most densely populated portion of Ohio.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:25 am to Buckeye06
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I don't think baseball is going to ever expand again honestly (I think baseball may be over in 50 years or so).
Wat
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:49 am to Buckeye Backer
Charlotte needs a baseball team
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:49 am to Pettifogger
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The state, which is dying, is consolidating in Columbus. I can't imagine they'll be bringing more franchises to Ohio.
I don't think Ohio is 'dying' so much as people are moving to the less developed parts of America. The pioneer spirit remains strong, and sturdy Midwesterners and New Englanders are unafraid to travel to far away places and work management positions.
Anyhow, Ohio will soon have over 12 million residents. It's difficult to discount that many people. And, as the above map shows, NE Ohio is still the state's true capital.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:54 am to BuckeyeFan87
Take the Cavs but please don't take the Indians.
Btw; why do so many people live in Ohio.
Btw; why do so many people live in Ohio.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:57 am to todospm
Every county(aka parish) seat(aka parish court house) is one days ride on horseback.
And Columbus in in the geographical center of the state.
It wasn't the first capital but was relocated due to geography and has been lagging well behind for a century and a half from Cincy and Cleveland which were located on high traveled waterways.
Columbus is a high tech and banking (along with Insurance) haven and will be continuing to grow for a long time due to the fact that it's not land locked by the said navigable waterways Lake Erie and the Ohio River.
That being said, it will never have the NFL or MLB, will never happen.
The Cavs moving to Columbus would have to be a part of a huge economic downturn in Cleveland 10 times worse than what happened in Detroit and that's just not happening. People still have money in Detroit to support their teams, they just don't live in Detroit proper.
MLS and NHL were the best that Columbus could get, and they did really well in getting them. Support what we have, MLS is a growing league still in its infancy.
And Columbus in in the geographical center of the state.
It wasn't the first capital but was relocated due to geography and has been lagging well behind for a century and a half from Cincy and Cleveland which were located on high traveled waterways.
Columbus is a high tech and banking (along with Insurance) haven and will be continuing to grow for a long time due to the fact that it's not land locked by the said navigable waterways Lake Erie and the Ohio River.
That being said, it will never have the NFL or MLB, will never happen.
The Cavs moving to Columbus would have to be a part of a huge economic downturn in Cleveland 10 times worse than what happened in Detroit and that's just not happening. People still have money in Detroit to support their teams, they just don't live in Detroit proper.
MLS and NHL were the best that Columbus could get, and they did really well in getting them. Support what we have, MLS is a growing league still in its infancy.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:58 am to Buttermilk Pancakes
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Btw; why do so many people live in Ohio.
Lake Erie, and the Ohio & Scioto Rivers.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 11:02 am to KosmoCramer
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The Cavs moving to Columbus would have to be a part of a huge economic downturn in Cleveland 10 times worse than what happened in Detroit and that's just not happening.
And it would take Gilbert selling the team. He has invested way to much in Cleveland and the Cavs to move it to Columbus.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 12:03 pm to KosmoCramer
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The Cavs moving to Columbus would have to be a part of a huge economic downturn in Cleveland 10 times worse than what happened in Detroit and that's just not happening. People still have money in Detroit to support their teams, they just don't live in Detroit proper.
Ok, i hear what you all are saying, but lets look at what you said closely. Cleveland at one point was 900,000 people. It is now 390,000 people with no end in sight for population loss. As an owner, at what point do you realize that there are other options? The city of Cleveland can NOT support the Indians anymore. With two other pro teams, the city just simply has lost to much population. My point still stands.
Texas is VERY different. You cant compare Austin to Columbus. Austin isnt surrounded by dying cities. Texas is the fastest growing state in the country. Columbus on the other hand is surrounded by dying cities in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Akron, Dayton, Youngstown and Toledo. Columbus and central Ohio are growing rapidly. I just think at some point, now where that point is i dont know, but at some point population has to become a reality and the reality is the NE Ohio is bleeding population at a staggering rate.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 12:05 pm
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