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re: College Football Needs This Playoff System
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:59 pm to Chicken
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:59 pm to Chicken
Chicken I prefer the computers to the human voters. The computers don't overvalue offensive performance and can't be swayed by Herbtreit, musburger, and Fowler saying "so and so is the best team I've ever seen"
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:59 pm to Gmorgan4982
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So a school should have to file some type of formal complaint to get a fair shot at a championship under a supposedly fair system
Define fair? Is unfair that LSU, Alabama and Texas have more top ranked recruits, maybe they should have to share those with other teams.
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OSU needs to win their conference and stop whining and Troy is going down in round #1 anyway.
That's a great system comrade
The motto for this playoff should be for "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:00 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:That's my largest objection. Either these schools are D-1 or they aren't. Either they have a mechanism to play for the title like anyone else, or kick them out of the division and make it against the rules to play those teams except in exhibitions.
If you're not going to give teams in the MAC, C-USA, Mountain West, Sun Belt, and WAC a fair shot, why don't you just propose that these conferences form their own subdivsion?
Make it so BCS teams can only play each other.
I like the small schools getting a shot for two reasons: ONE, it gives a mechanism for every single team to have a shot at the title no matter how remote and TWO, it gives the top teams a reward by playing the weakest teams.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:00 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:assuming that you had to keep it at three weekends of games, what would you propose?
Either way, I don't accept the current system or the proposed system as a legitimate way to crown a national champion.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:01 pm to Chicken
there are likely 25 teams in the AQ conferences that would be undefeated with the TCU/Boise schedules. There are likely 6 or 7 teams in the SEC alone that would be undefeated with those schedules.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:A system that allows teams that go undefeated during the regular season a chance at a championship. Teams like Cincinnati, TCU, and Boise State would have found this helpful last season.
Define fair?
quote:Are you insinuating that college playoff system can mimic communism in some way?
That's a great system comrade
Am I being hypocritical for thinking that the world isn't fair but that a sports playoff system should be designed in a way that gives as fair a shot to each team involved as possible?
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:03 pm to Tiger Ryno
If there is such an advantage to joining the WAC, why don't teams from BCS conference try and do it?
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:05 pm to Chicken
quote:If I can only have three weekends of games, I'd have to cut the number of conferences or teams. You can't group teams into 11 conferences with a 3-weekend playoff system. If you do that, you might as well just schedule 12 regular season games and go back to the old way of just voting for a national champion.
assuming that you had to keep it at three weekends of games, what would you propose?
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:11 pm to Chicken
The current system takes four weekends. The last possible day of the season in December 7. There are no games for three weekends (14, 21, and 28) with the last game several days after January 1st.
A playoff system could take four weekends and end the SAME TIME the current system does.
A playoff system could take four weekends and end the SAME TIME the current system does.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:12 pm to Gmorgan4982
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A system that allows teams that go undefeated during the regular season a chance at a championship. Teams like Cincinnati, TCU, and Boise State would have found this helpful last season.
I don't think its fair those teams play much easier conference schedules than LSU. All those teams had a shot last year, unfortunately for them, Alabama and Texas also went undefeated.
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Are you insinuating that college playoff system can mimic communism in some way
Yes, you are treating winning the Sun Belt as the same as winning the Big 10. That's egalitarianism at its finest.
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Am I being hypocritical for thinking that the world isn't fair but that a sports playoff system should be designed in a way that gives as fair a shot to each team involved as possible?
yep. You are making the exact same arguments communists/socialists make about society. Life isn't fair. Boise has a good team, they could beat anyone in one game, so what? The big conferences have a system they like and think is most beneficial to them. The non BCS teams like Boise have benefited much more from this than the old system. So there's not multi rounds and a winner take all playoff, so sorry. Boise and Cincy can take pride in going undefeated.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
Well, if the easy schedule is a problem, can each team be allowed to send coaches to go coach up the teams on their schedule so that maybe they won't be so bad and their schedule will be more difficult? The idea that a team should have to worry about how the teams on their schedule are doing in considering whether or not they have a chance at a championship is laughable.
quote:I am treating all the conferences equally. If a conference is not equal, then its members should not be allowed to play in the same subdivision as the other conferences. As long as they are allowed to do so, though, under a fair system, they should be treated the same way as teams in any other conference.
Yes, you are treating winning the Sun Belt as the same as winning the Big 10.
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:18 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:And they would have both killed Alabama and Bama is not a legitimate champion .................... in my opinion.
Boise and Cincy can take pride in going undefeated.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:21 pm to Baloo
Baloo, the current system takes one weekend...the BCS title game weekend.
When I talk about weekends, I am talking about weekends of games...excluding the conference championship game weekend.
Asking teams and their fans to travel around the country on short notice to neutral sites for three weekends doesn't seem logical.
When I talk about weekends, I am talking about weekends of games...excluding the conference championship game weekend.
Asking teams and their fans to travel around the country on short notice to neutral sites for three weekends doesn't seem logical.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:22 pm to Chicken
I can't think of any year in which more than 4 teams have had a legitimate beef about playing for the title. So when they decided to add another BCS game a week after the others, why didn't they just make that the +1 game.
You have the top 4 teams in the BCS rankings play each other in 2 of the 4 BCS games, the other 2 can pit the left over conference champions and any at large teams still eligible after that. Then the winner of the 2 playoff games play a week later in the BCS championship game.
You don't lose or gain any bowls and only 2 fewer teams make a bowl than currently do. Each team that makes the BCS title game will get the money paid for 2 BCS bowls and you'd have to think conferences would like that incentive.
You have the top 4 teams in the BCS rankings play each other in 2 of the 4 BCS games, the other 2 can pit the left over conference champions and any at large teams still eligible after that. Then the winner of the 2 playoff games play a week later in the BCS championship game.
You don't lose or gain any bowls and only 2 fewer teams make a bowl than currently do. Each team that makes the BCS title game will get the money paid for 2 BCS bowls and you'd have to think conferences would like that incentive.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:22 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Am I being hypocritical for thinking that the world isn't fair but that a sports playoff system should be designed in a way that gives as fair a shot to each team involved as possible?
You say the BCS currently is unfair. Your system is equally as unfair to BCS conference teams, and even more so. That's completely ridiculous that Troy could go over an LSU, Ohio State, Stanford, etc this year. And the BCS conference have earned the right to have things in their favor. They're the ones that built up college football. It is because of the paths treaded by schools like Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Alabama, Michigan, etc that college football is even big enough for a team like Boise to make money from it.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:26 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:How? You win your conference, you get a shot at the national title? If you don't win your conference, then there must be some team in that conference that has shown they are better than you so that team gets a chance at a national champion. If you are can beat Sun Belt Champion <insert direction here> <insert state here> State University, then you move on and don't have to worry about them anymore.
Your system is equally as unfair to BCS conference teams, and even more so.
quote:So, give them a lifetime achievement award. This is about deciding a champion for a current season.
And the BCS conference have earned the right to have things in their favor. They're the ones that built up college football. It is because of the paths treaded by schools like Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Alabama, Michigan, etc that college football is even big enough for a team like Boise to make money from it.
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:28 pm to Gmorgan4982
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I am treating all the conferences equally.
Well they are not you fricking commie
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:30 pm to Gmorgan4982
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And they would have both killed Alabama and Bama is not a legitimate champion .................... in my opinion.
Good you you, you can Rosanne Barr is hot if you want while you are at it. Meanwhile those of us with a brain know who the best team in CFB in 2009 was, Alabama. Unlike you can use data to back up my opinion, your's is just based on irrational hatred and egalitarian ideology.
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
Well, that's your opinion. I have an idea, since opinion should rule out over winning things like games and conference championship. Why don't we not keep score during games and just have the teams run around for 60 minutes? After the game, a panel of judges will rate each team on a scale from 1-10. After each team plays 12 games, each team's total will be added and the team with the highest score can be the national champions. It will be so great!
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:32 pm to Baloo
quote:$$$$$
If there is such an advantage to joining the WAC, why don't teams from BCS conference try and do it?
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