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re: Clayton Kershaws Average Outing in the Playoffs

Posted on 10/24/18 at 6:57 pm to
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 6:57 pm to
This is a bat signal to a certain poster on here.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 6:59 pm to
As dominating as Kershaw has been in the regular season, the sample size argument holds no water. Why the frick does he need this crutch???

Dude has gone SEASONS with out blowing up like he has in the playoffs. His great starts don’t mean anything with all the bad ones. He feels the pressure & it shows regularly. We really don’t have to have this discussion every year. It’s the same stuff. He keeps going out there & not performing like he does every regular season start.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:41 pm to
So you are still going with the pressure argument?

Tell me how the pressure would feel with a NLCS series tied 2-2 and you are making possibly your last start as a dodger?

Also let me hear you of all people now downplay a 1.097 WHIP and his k/9 and BB/9 ratio in the postseason
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 7:43 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:46 pm to
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you are still going with the pressure argument?


You’re still going to argue the stakes don’t get too him?

That should be your question


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Tell me how the pressure would feel with a NLCS series tied 2-2 and you are making possibly your last start as a dodger?



You really want to start citing games? Lol


quote:

Also let me hear you of all people now downplay a 1.097 WHIP and his k/9 and BB/9 ratio in the postseason


Explain to me the point you are trying to make here

Posted by Lou Pai
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:48 pm to
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Maybe this seems like a radical idea to some, but I would focus on the 2096 inning sample of regular season pitching over a 145 inning sample of postseason work if I was going to evaluate someone's ability.


145 is a massive sample size dood
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:48 pm to
I am making the point a guy “feeling the pressure” wouldn’t have great starts in over 50% of his outings man..... It would be consistently bad. And you know that. You don’t just feel the pressure 1 out of 2 times randomly

Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:49 pm to
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145 is a massive sample size dood
Its not even a full season


MASSIVE
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 7:50 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:59 pm to
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You don’t just feel the pressure 1 out of 2 times randomly


Baseball is so situational dude. I would expect him to feel no pressure at the start of a game.

But you know when you can start to feel it?? It’s a close game, and you nibble a little too much. You walk a guy, he maybe steals a base. Maybe you give up a bloop hit or 2. The crowd is getting into it. You’re facing a murderers row like the Astros or Cubs or Sox feature. JD Martinez or Correa or whoever is up. You feel that

Now, your team gives you a 4 run lead, and it’s on cruise control there. You don’t have to be as perfect. You’re playing in an NL Park and facing 8-hole & pitcher.

I mean it’s not all in a vacuum. The situation is not all the same as much as you want to think it is.

Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:02 pm to
So like a series being tied 2-2, you give up an early run, you have runners on 2nd and 3rd in the 3rd inning with the other team about to possibly blow the game open?

Look, he has been consistently inconsistent in the post season. In both high stress and low stress moments


To me, inconsistently doesn’t at all lead to a mental trend on pressure
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:04 pm to
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a guy “feeling the pressure” wouldn’t have great starts in over 50% of his outings man..... It would be consistently bad. And you know that. You don’t just feel the pressure 1 out of 2 times randomly


Lol you are just making shite up in a total 23 playoff starts he has had a >65 game score 9x
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:10 pm to
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To me, inconsistently doesn’t at all lead to a mental trend on pressure




He's a top 5 pitcher of all time. I think you lose sight of this.


This isn't Alex Wood or even a guy with skins on the wall like David Price. His regular seasons have been so utterly dominant. It's not random or simply inconsistency when you are that bad over such a large sample size.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:12 pm to
Gotta love when a guy comes in and brings in a single stat to try and boom someone for baseball


How many sub 1.0 WHIP starts?

How many games with K ratio greater than 9? How many games with a B.B. ratio less than2 etc etc




Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:13 pm to
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Its not even a full season


MASSIVE



Dude, he'll be in the top 6 all time post season IP by the end of this World Series.

He is the greatest pitcher of our generation. He shouldn't need more than 23 starts for his numbers to start "evening out".


shite, look at his 2016 season where he threw 149IP.

Now go compare that this his postseason career.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:15 pm to
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He's a top 5 pitcher of all time. I think you lose sight of this.
I don’t

I gave my reasons earlier

1. His era and w/l ratio don’t match his Advanced metrics. They don’t at all. If it fell in line, his ERA would fall around 3.2 I beleive(heard Timmy K say this)

If this happened you would all of a sudden have half the chatter just b/c lazy people who only look at era

2. More likely physical (fatigue, percentage of games played in cold vs regular season etc etc)
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 8:17 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:32 pm to
what exactly are you considering an advanced metric here? WHIP and K/9?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:49 pm to
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Clayton Kershaw Starts with 5+ Runs Allowed Since 2013

Postseason: 7 (21 total)
Reg. Season: 8 (167 total)



In these postseason starts cited, his WHIP is 1.91


That's not even including his bad GM1 of the LCS this year that doesn't quite fit into that criteria.


now how exactly are you going to sit there straight faced and act like that number should equal better success
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:59 pm to
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Gotta love when a guy comes in and brings in a single stat to try and boom someone for baseball


How many sub 1.0 WHIP starts?

How many games with K ratio greater than 9? How many games with a B.B. ratio less than2 etc etc


Forget stats just tell me the 11/12 great starts? Because I can only find maybe 6 great ones and 3 good/solid ones
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 9:00 pm
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:02 pm to
He's probably counting the couple of ones where he's lights out for 5-6 innings but has 1 inning where he completely blows up.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:05 pm to
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its like the playoffs are totally a crapshoot



Nah brah. Killer instinct
Posted by High C
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:17 pm to
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Kershaw is the Drew Brees of the MLB. Chokes when the pressure is on.


You’re such an obvious troll. It’s stupid
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