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Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:23 pm to KosmoCramer
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for the minimum
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and they are cheap.
I just don't think you go anywhere with this, you don't invest in a QB, you aren't going places.
You may have token success, but trying to be cheap isn't gonna win a Super Bowl.
Eagles aren't absolutely horrible and devoid of all talent, so there is no reason to be cheap with a QB. Yeah, Vick might be getting a little much, but there are pieces at each level of that defense that are pretty good. It's not a total overhaul, even if they move to the 3-4. Many of them have experience in it through the NFL or college anyway.
Instead of pursuing a Newton, RG3, or Kaepernick type prospect, you rather rummage through the trash and find half dead batteries that will run your offense for less than a season?
I don't buy it. I buy the talk that he'll stick with Nick Foles as his QB more than I do him using 3...
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:25 pm to jrous19
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Trade Vick for pics or defense
LOL who's going to trade for him?
But yeah the most they can probably get for him is pics, preferably nudes.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:27 pm to KosmoCramer
Any offense can work as long as you have the personnel to execute it.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:30 pm to MagillaGuerilla
I don't think you understand the point I'm trying to make.
You save $18-$20 MILLION dollars on Vi)ck, hell you could even trade McCoy($5-$12 Million per year for picks or money.
Get rid of Foles
That's $32 Million dollars of cap room to throw at linemen and defense.
That's SO much money. That's about a 1/4 of the total cap.
You save $18-$20 MILLION dollars on Vi)ck, hell you could even trade McCoy($5-$12 Million per year for picks or money.
Get rid of Foles
That's $32 Million dollars of cap room to throw at linemen and defense.
That's SO much money. That's about a 1/4 of the total cap.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:33 pm to MagillaGuerilla
So teams have gone cheap and won in baseball without a salary cap, but you don't think they can go cheap in a league with a cap and win?
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:36 pm to KosmoCramer
Its funny how everyone talks about capernick like he was an rg3 sure thing.... when he beat boise to keep them out the nc everyone said Nevada was crap to discredit them...now all of the sudden we all knew he was a baller! 
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:37 pm to tigerbait4444
He was very solid in college, but far from a lock obviously.
But is he one among many that could run an offense like that? Or one even more specialized?
I hope we find out.
But is he one among many that could run an offense like that? Or one even more specialized?
I hope we find out.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:38 pm to KosmoCramer
People forget Philly lost three of their top four o line guys to injury last year, one a pro bowl guy.
They don't have tp draft o line that heavy. They just have to get healthy.
They don't have tp draft o line that heavy. They just have to get healthy.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:40 pm to retooc
I'm merely saying they have the money to spend other places rather than put it at QB and RB.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:40 pm to KosmoCramer
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I don't think you understand the point I'm trying to make.
You save $18-$20 MILLION dollars on Vi)ck, hell you could even trade McCoy($5-$12 Million per year for picks or money.
Get rid of Foles
That's $32 Million dollars of cap room to throw at linemen and defense.
That's SO much money. That's about a 1/4 of the total cap.
That's all good, they need to free up some cash with some the bloated contracts they have.
My point is that I don't believe it's necessary to ignore the QB position and be cheap about it, short term or not. You don't have to spend top dollar, but you can draft a QB or sign a better than average holdover for a year and draft one next year.
The 3 bums running an offense seems unnecessary, yeah there are players out there who can run the offense, but there are also superior talents that can run it too.
A 2nd or 3rd Round pick at QB isn't gonna break the bank, and I'd rather go through growing pains with my future than spend a season with 3 QBs.
Teams who try to build their entire team through free agency always come crashing down. You can sign a few, but you still need to draft well to sustain it. I don't think you try to spend every penny to win now, but get 2-3 big names and get the future of the team in the draft. This draft is deep at several positions, it would be wise for any team to stockpile picks and try to fill their teams for the future.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:41 pm to KosmoCramer
Well you and others said they need o line. Nobody mentioned the injuries.
So I simply pointed that out.
So I simply pointed that out.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:43 pm to KosmoCramer
Geno Smith, Pryor, an Vick?
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:43 pm to retooc
Chip never had Qb dropoffs because you don't have to be a stud... just run the system. Please take tebow and become the most intriguing team in pro sports.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:44 pm to MagillaGuerilla
The point you're missing is the system. It's not about the player, it's about the system.
You can plug and chug players and not lose anything because of the system.
Do I think it'll work? Who knows.
But here is what is effective: people that go against the grain
If the eagles can outspend everyone else, and use high draft picks non-skill guys consistently they can build a base.
Since no one else is doing this, it gives them an advantage.
Agree to disagree. I love it and think it will work well.
You can plug and chug players and not lose anything because of the system.
Do I think it'll work? Who knows.
But here is what is effective: people that go against the grain
If the eagles can outspend everyone else, and use high draft picks non-skill guys consistently they can build a base.
Since no one else is doing this, it gives them an advantage.
Agree to disagree. I love it and think it will work well.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:46 pm to JJ27
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So teams have gone cheap and won in baseball without a salary cap, but you don't think they can go cheap in a league with a cap and win?
I'm talking a specific position, you don't have to spend the most money to be the best team.
Posted on 1/17/13 at 12:49 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Don't all teams spend the same since there is a cap give or take a few million dollars? 
Posted on 1/17/13 at 1:06 pm to KosmoCramer
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Don't all teams spend the same since there is a cap give or take a few million dollars?
When it adds up yes, but there's a difference on how teams spend it.
Some want to make splash moves with top free agents, which are usually huge contracts. That's what I'm referring to, as they are spending top dollar on those moves.
The teams that let those players go decided not to spend that money to keep them, whether because they couldn't or shouldn't. They usually have a replacement ready from the draft, or sign a smaller free agent with the money they have.
Some keep cap space open and some spend more money long term to save money in the present(eg. Mark Sanchez's extension). Allows you to sign someone else, but you look dumb in hindsight if the player doesn't produce.
The return varies based on their choices. The Jets splurged for their '08 season and it took them into their '09 and '10 season, but then crashed in '11 and '12. Eagles tried to form a "dream team" in '11 and that didn't work, and the result carried into '12.
You don't lean on FA to build your team, you complete your team with it. Look at the teams in the playoffs, how many big name free agents did they sign from another team to make it where they are at this season? A lot their talent is homegrown, and they've been wise enough to keep the foundation FAs and let others go.
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/17/13 at 1:19 pm to MagillaGuerilla
What about Alex smith?
Posted on 1/17/13 at 1:20 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Interesting post by Rotoworld:
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New Eagles coach Chip Kelly revealed at his introductory press conference that he's a "huge fan" of QB Nick Foles.
"We hit him as many times as we could hit someone and he kept getting up," said Kelly. "He's tough, people don't understand how important that is." Asked about his preference for a running QB, Kelly added, "I'll say this: there's perception and reality. Perception is we run our quarterback all the time. Reality is that's not the case." Kelly explained that there's "nothing that's on the board, there's nothing that's off the board" regarding Michael Vick. Although Kelly is still in the process of evaluating personnel and watching film, it certainly appears that he's higher on Foles than Vick.
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