- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Can someone summarize the LIV, PGA and Mickelson drama for me?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 7:55 am to boosiebadazz
Posted on 6/10/22 at 7:55 am to boosiebadazz
quote:Getting a golf course ready for a pro tournament is EXPENSIVE AS frick
What is the real overhead for the PGA?
Some as high as 10-15 million to “restore and rent” a course for a tournament
2
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:00 am to lsupride87
quote:
What is the real overhead for the PGA?
quote:
Getting a golf course ready for a pro tournament is EXPENSIVE AS frick
Good thing that's not the Tour's money. Another inaccuracy by you. We've got to be approaching 50 at this point
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:04 am to Froman
quote:
America does/did bad things
I don’t care about golfers playing in a Saudi backed tour or whatever but this type of moral equivalence is stupid. For whatever flaws the US/West in general may have our society is based on freedom and individual Liberty. People who whine about “authoritarianism” or a “war on women” here should go live in SA or China for a time and see.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:07 am to lsupride87
quote:
Getting a golf course ready for a pro tournament is EXPENSIVE AS frick
Some as high as 10-15 million to “restore and rent” a course for a tournament
I didn’t think of that expense. But 45% of 1.5B is still $675 million. That’s 45 renovations at $15 million a piece. That’s not happening.
I think a little transparency from the Tour would go a long way. The owners demand it in the team sports. Where’s that mechanism for the Tour?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:11 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:
People who whine about “authoritarianism” or a “war on women” here should go live in SA or China for a time and see.
I don't disagree with this at all but I'd be willing to bet that many of the same people who are bitching about the players taking the money would do the exact fricking thing if they were offered a massive increase in pay for doing the exact same job they are doing now.
For the record I mean people in general, not just people on this particular board
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:30 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:
Good thing that's not the Tour's money. Another inaccuracy by you. We've got to be approaching 50 at this point
quote:
Money for hosting an event ranges widely. If you’re talking about a U.S. Open, the amount the USGA pays in facility fees is substantial — north of $2 million when it “rents” a club. But clubs also share in the event’s revenue and receive additional funds to prepare and restore its course. In the past decade, Erin Hills’ total take was on the low end: $3.9 million. Oakmont was at the top end with $9.3 million, a third of it from merch sales alone. PGA Tour fees vary more. Consider the courses on California’s Monterey Peninsula. Pebble Beach can command $2 million for tournament week,
The Saudis paying you to lie?
Mingo El Sawey
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:37 am to boosiebadazz
quote:
I’d be curious to see what the PGA uses their 45% on. In the other leagues, that percentage is split by 30 owners who then use it to pay an entire organization built up around the players. What is the real overhead for the PGA?
Running the business, more or less.
Marketing, digital ops (an increasingly large chunk), event management, etc etc.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:42 am to lsupride87
quote:
The Saudis paying you to lie?
Mingo El Sawey
So nowhere near $15 million, got it
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:44 am to the LSUSaint
quote:
Scared to answer? Be careful genius, my best man had PGA card for 10 yrs.
They get a direct deposit the Wednesday following the tournament.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:44 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:
Running the business, more or less.
Marketing, digital ops (an increasingly large chunk), event management, etc etc.
They have hundreds of employees, an app that doesn't work, and bots that write their comm articles.
That's one of the most legit gripes by the players. It's a totally bloated organization chalked full of waste
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:44 am to RedHawk
quote:
Do you know the expenses of running the PGA Tour?
More or less than running the NFL?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 8:50 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:
I don’t care about golfers playing in a Saudi backed tour or whatever but this type of moral equivalence is stupid. For whatever flaws the US/West in general may have our society is based on freedom and individual Liberty. People who whine about “authoritarianism” or a “war on women” here should go live in SA or China for a time and see.
I agree with this, but there are other levels. Like the fact that every prestigious university in the United States has taken tons of Saudi money, most politicians have benefitted from Saudi money in one way or the other, most major American corporations do business with KSA or China, etc. The PGA Tour has never drawn any bright lines on KSA/China/etc., so for them and Brandel to make this about human rights is silly.
As I'm sure you recognize, Saudi money has flooded every industry and corner of America for 30+ years, so I just find those concern trolling about this to be eyeroll-inducing. Honestly, a more simplistic patriotic pitch of "Americans abandoning the home tour/league are shameful" would be more effective IMO.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:00 am to Pettifogger
I’ve also been laughing at that.
We’ll feign outrage when you murder and dismember a dissident in your consulate (as a matter of fact, here are more weapons to fight in Yemen!), but you don’t dare try to engender goodwill by sponsoring golf tournaments. That is sportswashing, you tyrant, and it is unacceptable and we will not stand for it!
We’ll feign outrage when you murder and dismember a dissident in your consulate (as a matter of fact, here are more weapons to fight in Yemen!), but you don’t dare try to engender goodwill by sponsoring golf tournaments. That is sportswashing, you tyrant, and it is unacceptable and we will not stand for it!
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 9:01 am
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:25 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:
That's one of the most legit gripes by the players. It's a totally bloated organization chalked full of waste
Even if it was run at 100% efficiency, which no big organization will ever get to, the PGA still couldn't come close to matching the pay of the LIV. Players would still defect.
Also funny that you don't hold other big sports organizations to the same standards either. There is probably a lot of waste in all of them. It comes with the territory.
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 9:27 am
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:31 am to RedHawk
quote:
Even if it was run at 100% efficiency, which no big organization will ever get to, the PGA still couldn't come close to matching the pay of the LIV.
Of course.
quote:
Players would still defect.
Im not sure this league would have ever gotten any real steam had the Tour been proactive instead of whiny and reactive. But we're all just guessing on that. People with a shitload of money have been trying to do something like this for nearly 40 years.
quote:
Also funny that you don't hold other big sports organizations to the same standards either
At least if I go to NFL.com it works.
And those other sports are collectively bargained so it's not the same at all.
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:36 am to RedHawk
quote:
Even if it was run at 100% efficiency, which no big organization will ever get to, the PGA still couldn't come close to matching the pay of the LIV. Players would still defect.
Is anyone expecting the LIV pay to long term be this? My understanding was the insane current amounts are just first time amounts to incentivize the players to jump. It had to be so great, they would do it.
I don't think its realistic for the LIV to keep the same current pay, or for the PGA tour to match it.
Part of the reason the players like Phil and DJ are doing this is not just the current pay from the LIV, but to get more bargaining power to deal with the PGA.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:42 am to BBONDS25
quote:
More or less than running the NFL?
So you don't know, got it.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:44 am to baldona
quote:
Part of the reason the players like Phil and DJ are doing this is not just the current pay from the LIV, but to get more bargaining power to deal with the PGA.
OMG, you said that with a straight face?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:48 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:
quote:
Running the business, more or less.
Marketing, digital ops (an increasingly large chunk), event management, etc etc.
They have hundreds of employees, an app that doesn't work, and bots that write their comm articles.
That's one of the most legit gripes by the players. It's a totally bloated organization chalked full of waste
I mean, sure, the organization could be leaner and better ran, but players are kidding themselves if they think there are hundreds of millions of dollars in EBITDA there for the taking. That's not how these orgs work, and in fact, if they want better digital products, then guess what that takes? Investment. If they want better marketing to expand audiences, then guess what that takes? Investment.
But then again, this merry band is being led by a fool who thought there were $20B in digital assets just sitting there (hint: the NFL doesn't even have anywhere near that), has the business sense of a 5 year old, and should have spent time in prison for insider trading.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:51 am to AbuTheMonkey
Do people actually watch golf on TV other than the majors 
Page 5 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News