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re: Can someone explain to me the LHSAA split?

Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:47 pm to
Posted by Riolobo
On the lake
Member since Mar 2017
5123 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:47 pm to
Someone but hurt because of Neville and West Monroe success. These two schools had literally nothing to do with the split. It is no secret that the Winfield principal was one of the leaders
Posted by RGJ18
Collierville, TN
Member since Feb 2010
9202 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:47 pm to
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Private school were recruiting

Yes, and? Private school recruit every student. Not one student is forced to go to their school.
Posted by CoastTrashTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
1966 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:03 pm to
Excellent post RedPop

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According to people who seem to know things, the privates and their supporters are already sick of the situation, they are not even an effective minority in the LHSAA. The publics call all the shots, and there are not enough private schools to really affect the vote.



100% true, and the publics know it which further divides them the way they treat "privates".

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Additionally, however, it seems that there is no resolve or consensus among the privates that would even facilitate their leaving the LHSAA,


There is a consensus on how they would do it, and it would be ugly and brutal. But again you are correct there is not enough resolve because honestly the optics would be terrible especially right now.

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but any threat to leave? They can't get together and agree to basic, common ideas.


Like I said I do not think there is any threat right now, but once all sports split and the time frame of about 5-7 years I could see a major threat and it coming from my next point from community schools.

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Many of the privates simply do not want to be the ones to "destroy" the LHSAA, either, or so it seems.


Yep, I think the split will happen when what I call "community schools" that are publics choose to go select because they know it is better for their schools and their athletes. When the privates can get enough of these types to side with them fully the big split will happen. Another issue is that apparently only per state association is recognized, like was under the MHSAA/MAIS way, there was never a "split" it has always just been this way since segregation. So like the optics this could be very bad and the state would have to step in, which would make it worse because you then have the brain trust that is the state legislature trying to work together.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:08 pm to
What the frick ever. If you believe that you are as stupid and naive as they come.

I dont believe in coincidence ans i dont believe in what someone tells me. I see the parts and it is clear both didnt want either.

Joe Coats wrote an entire column op-ed back in 1996 and he made it clear that they had to reign in Private Schools.

What is done behind closed doors moves world events and in this case local.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 5:10 pm
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17392 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:18 pm to
Basically private schools had an advantage over public schools because anyone could go to their schools out of their zone. For example: here in BR, Parkview Baptist can go and put a billboard in the ghetto in North BR with the billboard saying things like come to Parkview, great education, great athletics, great opportunities to be looked at by College coaches and things like that. It will attract talented athletes to leave the poor, ghetto public schools and go to a successful private school where they have a better chance at being able to succeed in life because of their athletic abilities. They have an opportunity to improve their lives by getting out of the ghetto.

We probably would have never heard of Derius Guice if he didn’t end up transferring to Catholic instead of staying at McKinley. For one, not many college scouts want to go to a game at McKinkey High School and two he would have probably ended up, like a bunch of students who go to McKinley their entire lives, living the street and thug life and would probably be in jail or possibly even dead.

Basically the private schools could advertise for people to come to their schools which is called “recruiting” and the public schools couldn’t do that. They just had to rely on the kids that lived in their zones as the future of that schools athletic programs. The public schools just felt like they were at a disadvantage and that it wasn’t fair that they had to compete with private schools once the postseason came around.

Now, there are public schools in Louisiana that recruit and recruit quite often and get away with it. Most of the top dog public football programs in this state recruit. I may be wrong but I think the majority of the people who voted for the split were smaller public schools who did things the right way and didn’t recruit. They just don’t have good athletes that live in their zones so it was hard for them to have successful athletic programs when they competed against teams who could basically go out and get whoever they wanted.

Now I’m a public school guy, grew up in one of the best public schools in Louisiana but I am very against the split. I think the split sucks and they need to bring things back to the way they use to be.
Posted by OT_10
Northshore
Member since Sep 2016
261 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:20 pm to
Only 1 championship to boot with all that crying ??
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16990 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:59 pm to
It’s the worst. The only thing worse is the Archdiocese of New Orleans not letting the private schools pull out and start their own association.

Start a new association, then start inviting public schools. Leave Many and Winfield in the LHSAA so they can play each other for a championship every year.

Top 10 in 5A without the split:
1. West Monroe
2. John Curtis
3. Destrehan
4. Catholic
5. Acadiana
6. Rummel
7. Ehret
8. East Ascension
9. Zachary
10. Terrebonne

Nice top 10 there. Instead of that, the 3 select schools in the top 10 play in a 12 team bracket against people they already play. Boy is that fun
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53572 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:08 pm to
We don't have the split bc John Curtis won state every year. We have the split bc they've never had a 5-5ish "down year" since the school started, where even the magical split-back veer can't save them.

And we will have the split until everybody can openly enroll from everywhere.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 6:17 pm
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16990 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:18 pm to
Why does Rummel, HC, Bro Mart, Jesuit, Shaw, Aug, Catholic, Byrd, Scotlandville, St. Paul, and McKinley have to suffer?

They’re legitimate schools, not factories. They get stuck with shitty postseason play because of Evangel and Curtis. None of the above mentioned schools are like Evangel and Curtis
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 6:20 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53572 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:22 pm to
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Why does Rummel, HC, Bro Mart, Jesuit, Shaw, Aug, Catholic, Byrd, Scotlandville, St. Paul, and McKinley have to suffer?

they're not innocent by any means
Posted by LetsBreal
Member since Nov 2018
79 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:31 pm to
Way to much recruiting going in favor of private schools...pi pic schools got mad and dealt with it...you had private schools that were 1a and 2 a playing 4a, 5a cause their talent levels was out of this world cause people were moving into their zones to put their kid in said recruited school
Posted by CoastTrashTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
1966 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:32 pm to
I do not think you get how a "private" school operates
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16990 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:41 pm to
Hate to break it to you hoss, nobody is innocent.
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16990 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:44 pm to
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people were moving into their zones to put their kid in said recruited school


Stop being shitty schools then.

I don’t see Northshore schools not in Slidell losing many kids. Those are good schools. Enough to where a parent doesn’t say frick that, I’d rather pay 10k a year so my child isn’t sent to a dogshit school.
Posted by Big Bill
Down da Bayou
Member since Sep 2015
1604 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 7:08 pm to
The 1A - 3A schools public schools were getting the shaft. Privates can control their enrollment as well as recruit from a large area. Im looking at you Notre Dame of Crowley. When you get kids from 5 different parishes and can keep your enrollment at AA levels, you should be a powerhouse. 175 boys in the school and 108 on the football team. I guess they do like their chances against the Welsh and Kinders of the class...and Welsh is playing for a state championship after getting beat by ND 50 - 0 earlier this year. No doubt Coach Cook is a great coach, but my daughter could get them to the semi finals with the talent they bring in from Crowley, Church Point, Rayne, Jennings, Welsh, and the area for 30 miles around them. It simply isnt fair to the publics who are following the rules.
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
32205 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 7:39 pm to
Principle led the charge
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:21 pm to
quote:

Privates can control their enrollment as well as recruit from a large area.


This is OCS in a nutshell.

Friends of mine were telling me for years how they control enrollment to match the lesd dominant class and would drop or rise on it.



Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53572 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:30 pm to
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Friends of mine were telling me for years how they control enrollment to match the lesd dominant class and would drop or rise on it.

fairly easy to do between 1A and 2A... The cutoff has been in the same general area for years
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23291 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:35 pm to
quote:

The 1A - 3A schools public schools were getting the shaft. Privates can control their enrollment as well as recruit from a large area. Im looking at you Notre Dame of Crowley. When you get kids from 5 different parishes and can keep your enrollment at AA levels, you should be a powerhouse. 175 boys in the school and 108 on the football team. I guess they do like their chances against the Welsh and Kinders of the class...and Welsh is playing for a state championship after getting beat by ND 50 - 0 earlier this year. No doubt Coach Cook is a great coach, but my daughter could get them to the semi finals with the talent they bring in from Crowley, Church Point, Rayne, Jennings, Welsh, and the area for 30 miles around them. It simply isnt fair to the publics who are following the rules.





5 different parishes? Man you dumb
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6614 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:38 pm to
It was 57-0.
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