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re: Bulls vs. Warriors: Harper/Jordan/Pippin vs. Curry

Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:58 am to
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:58 am to
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I know you dislike Curry




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Curry didn't have a great 3pt% relative to what he's used to (44% last year, 46% this year, 38% in the finals.


You get a bit of a more realistic projection in an 82 game season for a 6 game series.

He went 2 for 15 from 3 in one of those game. That has an impact on those numbers.

In Game 3 he shot 54%, in game 4 he shot 58%, and in game 5 he shot 54%.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:00 pm to
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You get a bit of a more realistic projection in an 82 game season for a 6 game series.

He went 2 for 15 from 3 in one of those game. That has an impact on those numbers.

In Game 3 he shot 54%, in game 4 he shot 58%, and in game 5 he shot 54%.


You don't just throw that game out like it never happened. And I'm sorry to inform you, the regular season is nothing like the post season when it comes down the conference finals and finals. I could throw out stats that show JR missing shots he usually makes but I'm not going to say he had an off series like the GSW had nothing to do with it, that would be asinine.

Also, you know I met Delly.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:01 pm to
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Last year, Cavs could have took them to a game 7 if they had a healthy Kyrie and Love


No with Kyrie and Love they play a style that plays right in to their wheelhouse. Quicker pace and less defense. The Cavs completely bogged down that series without him. They used basically the same recipe the Grizzlies used for success, but it worked slightly better because they had Bron taking much of those late in shot clock shots.

You seriously think they would have had more success slowing down the Steph/Draymond PnR with Kyrie and Love as the two defenders?
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:02 pm to
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I'm amazed that there are still people out there that think he actually got to Steph in anyway. Steph had one poor game where he just missed shots he normally makes. There is a reason Delly has never turned in a performance again against him like that.



Basketball is like any sport. It's a game of inches, sometimes centimeters.

Was Curry off his game? Yes, but you can't say Delly didn't have anything to do with it. Delly is smaller and can get closer than someone who is larger. Larger players fear getting blown by so they respect the player with more space. You give Curry space and he makes you hate your life. Delly didn't give him hardly any space in that game. It's honestly the first time in two years I've seen Curry throw up an airball.

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Hurts that they weren't nearly good enough regardless of health either



The Cavs were gassed by the end of the stretch, and you're right to a degree, but feel, momentum, timing all matter in playoff games. Losing Love and Irving just really disrupts the identity of the team. And, imo, the pieces just don't really fit.

Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:03 pm to
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No with Kyrie and Love they play a style that plays right in to their wheelhouse. Quicker pace and less defense. The Cavs completely bogged down that series without him. They used basically the same recipe the Grizzlies used for success, but it worked slightly better because they had Bron taking much of those late in shot clock shots.


I said last year and you are using this year as a frame of reference. With Kyrie the 1st game went into overtime. The Warriors didn't gain momentum until the Cavs tired out in the series. With Kyrie and Love you have less of a fatigue effect.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:04 pm to
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You don't just throw that game out like it never happened.


There are such things as outliers and there is game tape that can be analyzed that it was largely just Steph missing shots he usually makes.

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Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:04 pm to
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The Cavs were gassed by the end of the stretch, and you're right to a degree, but feel, momentum, timing all matter in playoff games. Losing Love and Irving just really disrupts the identity of the team. And, imo, the pieces just don't really fit.


You said it better than I could.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:05 pm to
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The Warriors didn't gain momentum until the Cavs tired out in the series


Or you know they just made adjustments like they did in their earlier series when they down 2-1

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With Kyrie and Love you have less of a fatigue effect.


You also have less of a defense effect
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:06 pm to
Your screen shots are pretty man but they do an injustice of what actually went on. Up until the finals nobody guarded Curry like Delly did.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:07 pm to
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Or you know they just made adjustments like they did in their earlier series when they down 2-1


Okay, fatigue had nothing to do with it

Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:09 pm to
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Yes, but you can't say Delly didn't have anything to do with it. Delly is smaller and can get closer than someone who is larger


Yes I can considering he shot above 50% from 3 in the following 3 games.

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Delly is smaller and can get closer than someone who is larger. Larger players fear getting blown by so they respect the player with more space. You give Curry space and he makes you hate your life. Delly didn't give him hardly any space in that game.


Delly is 6'4" which is about the average height of most PG's.

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It's honestly the first time in two years I've seen Curry throw up an airball.


You need to watch more Curry then. He throws up an airball pretty regularly given the degree of difficulty that comes with most of his shots.

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Losing Love and Irving just really disrupts the identity of the team.


It forced them to play in a style that worked against the Warriors. They don't play that style with those guys.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:10 pm to
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Delly is 6'4" which is about the average height of most PG's.



Context, bro. This thread WAS about Pippen guarding Curry.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:11 pm to
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Up until the finals nobody guarded Curry like Delly did.


Jesus christ. Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley are both better defenders than Delly. There are an absurd amount of players I would choose to defend him before I landed on Delly.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:13 pm to
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Jesus christ. Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley are both better defenders than Delly. There are an absurd amount of players I would choose to defend him before I landed on Delly.



Okay, I don't disagree but my statement still stands. No one had seen curry guarded like that up until the finals.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:13 pm to
Another one of these threads, very original. Let me take a guess, the youngsters pick the Warriors in a sweep, the old crowd take the Bulls. How'd I do?
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:18 pm to
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Another one of these threads, very original. Let me take a guess, the youngsters pick the Warriors in a sweep, the old crowd take the Bulls. How'd I do?



I don't think any youngsters have chosen the Warriors in a sweep. If anything, the Cialis group is of the impression the Bulls would win in 5 and Steph would be crying in a corner praying for it to all be over.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:27 pm to
Delly was a pest to Curry and I think he got in his head quite a bit and frustrated him. He gave a great effort in trying to stop him. But like great players like Curry do, they eventually get it going.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:29 pm to
I agree. I didn't say he could contain Curry the whole series, but you're dealing with the most dangerous offense probably ever. One game in the series can make the difference. If you can only frustrate Curry for one game, you better take it.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:57 pm to
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You don't just throw that game out like it never happened.
Eh, in a small sample size it is important to show an outlier like that.
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