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re: Bruce Bowens top 5 pgs...just showed on SC
Posted on 5/31/10 at 2:37 pm to bomber77
Posted on 5/31/10 at 2:37 pm to bomber77
quote:You're right he didnt look like the old CP3 when he came back. He was still putting up all star numbers, but you could tell he was just trying to see if he could help them make a playoff push. When that was out of range they finally shut him down.
How do you think he looked when he came back? I thought the team actually played better with Collison in there.
I dont know if they played better when Collison was in there. I think Paul's teammates do a lot of star gazing when he's on the court. They stand around and watch a lot.
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Posted on 5/31/10 at 2:44 pm to MrWiseGuy
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4.Nash
even in Nash's MVP years CP still had better numbers in the 07-08 season at 23
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3.DRose
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2.Rondo
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1. Dwill
the only person that i would put on Chris' level right now, but he's still 2nd best,
Posted on 5/31/10 at 2:49 pm to JoeMayo
At least back that statement up with some numbers or something. Saying that Williams will always be better than CP without backing it up is pretty worthless.
As it was already pointed out, CP's disaster of a postseason last year is the same as Rondo's monster postseason this year in terms of numbers.
As it was already pointed out, CP's disaster of a postseason last year is the same as Rondo's monster postseason this year in terms of numbers.
Posted on 5/31/10 at 2:54 pm to TulaneTigerFan
quote:Unfortunately, that's not unique to this site. It's the sports media and every other walk of life. It's an elemental aspect of our human/cultural nature. It takes a moderate level of logical thought to overcome the bias. Unfortunately, moderate amounts of logical thought are rare on ESPN, which shapes how a lot of people view athletes, hence people buying into the ludicrous notion that Rondo is in any way comparable to Chris Paul.
There's one hell of a recency bias on this site.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 9:17 am to MrWiseGuy
Alright Nash is clearly the best pg in the league after this year's postseason. Then, I'd rate CP3 and DWill as tied for second. I stumbled across this page that talks about the rivalry between CP3 and Rondo. Check it out, quite funny. It shows all that was said after the two got into it this season. Can't wait to see em go at it again next year, and we have a better roster.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 6/1/10 at 10:59 am to MrWiseGuy
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Put Chris Paul on the celtics..that's just scary
totally disagree- not a facilitator.
I agree that Rondo might not be my first choice, but as a true PG and captain on the court, he's in the discussion.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 11:40 am to Wildcat
Cp3 and Dwill will always be compared to one another because they were drafted the same year. Cp3s best two years he averaged 22 points and 11 assists. Deron Williams is yet to put up a 20ppg season or an 11 assistspg season. Not to mention CP3 is miles ahead of Deron williams on defense. CP3 holds the record for most consecutive games with a steal. And he is 3 inches shorter. . Plus D-will's supporting cast is way better than Cp3.I can go on and on. in my opinion. when Cp3 is healthy, he and dRose are in a class of there own
Posted on 6/1/10 at 11:43 am to BaileyTiger
i tried to tell this board that rondo was top 5 in long thread started by supa(i think) at beginning of season and everyone berated me
when i give a scouting report, take it to the bank
when i give a scouting report, take it to the bank
Posted on 6/1/10 at 11:48 am to MrWiseGuy
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1. Dwill
2.Rondo
3.DRose
4.Nash
5.Paul.
He played in the NBA so maybe he has a clue of who's better than the other.. Juss sayin.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 11:58 am to TTsTowel
quote:Riiiiiiight. B/c NBA players are always great analysts of other positions and are not at all biased. NBA players never have divergent views on who's better among other players on other teams.
He played in the NBA so maybe he has a clue of who's better than the other.. Juss sayin.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 12:25 pm to bomber77
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The best on ball defender in the last decade. The guy made himself into an NBA player and a world champion. Like him or not Bowen was a great defender. Id also put some value on his opinion. He has defended just about all of these guys.
I'm sorry this is just not so. Bruce Bowen was a good defender who had one of the best helpside defenders in the history of the NBA playing behind him. Meaning he could harass people on the perimeter with no repercussions and no fear of being beat. He also had the perfect role of being able to concentrate on nothing but defense and knocking down the occasional open 3.
Ron Artest and Kobe Bryant in their primes were both better defenders on the ball than Bowen. Ditto with Shane Battier.
Bowen was a bulldog though. And it doesn't surprise me that he listed them this way. Bowen has the length to bother Paul a little bit. It would make more sense that he would've had trouble with a bigger guard like Dwill who drive and knock down 3s as well.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:04 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Surely Bowen, a guy who had to defend pretty much everyone on that list, would have no clue who has more skills.
But the MSB internet gurus can really evaluate the talent.
Bowen knows what he is talking about.
To all the Hornetards, why do you give so much of a shite about what people say about your golden boy Paul. Anytime a negative word is uttered, you guys get your panties in a wad. Just let it go...some people aren't going to think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. And uh...aside from one solid run in 08', the Hornets haven't exactly torn up the league since he has run point...just saying.
But the MSB internet gurus can really evaluate the talent.
Bowen knows what he is talking about.
To all the Hornetards, why do you give so much of a shite about what people say about your golden boy Paul. Anytime a negative word is uttered, you guys get your panties in a wad. Just let it go...some people aren't going to think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. And uh...aside from one solid run in 08', the Hornets haven't exactly torn up the league since he has run point...just saying.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:16 pm to TexasTiger08
Paul IMO is actually better than all those guys because he is playin on a much less talented team, but always has them in the hunt. Imagine if he was with PHX or Utah or Boston.
the Hornets have one decent player D West, and I don't think that much of him.
the Hornets have one decent player D West, and I don't think that much of him.
This post was edited on 6/1/10 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:22 pm to tubucoco
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Paul IMO is actually better than all those guys because he is playin on a much less talented team, but always has them in the hunt. Imagine if he was with PHX or Utah or Boston.
the Hornets have one decent player D West, and I don't think that much of him.
And Phoenix, Utah, and Boston routinely go farther in the postseason than N.O. So the talent issue is a moot point. Yeah?
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:26 pm to TexasTiger08
I wouldn't say it was moot because those guys are playin with significant better talent around them than CP3 has to work with in NO.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:26 pm to TexasTiger08
RIGHT NOW Paul is not a top 3 PG.
He doesn't have enough great seasons in a row to rank him this high when he is banged up. He has 2 great, healthy seasons in his career. A year from now he might be at the top of the list again, but i want to see him at 100% for a full season.
He doesn't have enough great seasons in a row to rank him this high when he is banged up. He has 2 great, healthy seasons in his career. A year from now he might be at the top of the list again, but i want to see him at 100% for a full season.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:34 pm to el tigre
Rondo and Rose are behind Paul, I could see Nash because of his longevity, but Nash was terrible when he first started playin the NBA. And D Will is comparable to Paul, but they are 2 different types of PG's, so Paul is def in the Top 3.
This post was edited on 6/1/10 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:34 pm to Jamohn
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Riiiiiiight. B/c NBA players are always great analysts of other positions and are not at all biased. NBA players never have divergent views on who's better among other players on other teams
And you're sure he's biased. Riiiiiiiight.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:35 pm to MrWiseGuy
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The reverse order is actually closer to the real order than his list.
No its not!!! In fact tis list is very accurate.
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