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re: Bronny James- Making the leap year 2
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:25 am to lsupride87
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:25 am to lsupride87
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Bronny is faster, stronger, can jump higher than rose and Westbrook
Just not when he steps on a basketball court. Which is really all that matters.
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:27 am to lsupride87
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Bronny is faster, stronger, can jump higher than rose and Westbrook
Yes, he is more athletic
You still don't get it, or you're just purposely being an arse to prove some silly point about the semantics of "athleticism".
Do you not understand what i said here, which is critical to what we are all talking about in regards to basketball athleticism? it's not a skill, it's athleticism specific to basketball.
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two guys of equal measurement can both have 40" verticals yet look completely different on the court in regards to their jumping ability. Some people have to jump off two feet to reach their max vertical, some can do it off one foot, some can jump off either foot, and some aren't good leapers off one foot like they are off two. some people are quick to jump high while others need a running start to load up to jump high. Zion's second jump is unreal. It's not normal to be able to come down and immediately jump back up as high as he does. All of that makes a big difference on a basketball court. There's a lot more to jumping on a basketball court than what the vertical leap test says.
WHat i said there is why guys like Westbrook, Rose, Wall, Fox are far more athletic on the basketball court than Bronny.
There's more to being athletic than just running fast in a straight line for a drill, or being quick in a drill, or jumping high for some test. The brain has to work with the body, and not everyone can do that, which is why some people are quicker on the court than others despite them having the same lane agility times.
Bronny can't do this despite having all of the same exact measurements as Rose. Quick burst of acceleration while already running fast, and then jumping from an off balance position and hanging and contorting to finish the basket through contact
This isn't skill. This is just an athletic freak, who is less athletic than Bronny according to you. Why can't Bronny do this?
the athleticism of this gif is off the charts. This isn't 7' Giannis. It's a 6'3" John Wall. Blows by everyone and jumps off the right foot as a right hander and elevates at full speed to dunk over someone. This is what elite athleticism is.
this is college De'aaron Fox. His ability to jump quicker than normal is what separates his athleticism from others. WHen you're playing 7 footers this is an ability that allows you to finish at the rim better than others, despite others having higher verticals. If you ever played basketball with elite athletes, you'd know what i'm talking about right here. Some guys just leap off the floor faster than others, and it makes them incredibly difficult to defend.
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:29 am to TeddyPadillac
You’re arguing with a dude that didn’t know who the MVP was this year. It’s pointless
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:40 pm to lsupride87
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Bronny is faster, stronger, can jump higher than rose and Westbrook Yes, he is more athletic
It’s time to bust this back out. You’re officially mentally broken lol
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
That is a quality post, that is going to fall on deaf ears.
I guess Bronny can actually do all those things, he just chooses not to do them when he enters the game.
I guess Bronny can actually do all those things, he just chooses not to do them when he enters the game.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:24 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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That is a quality post, that is going to fall on deaf ears. I guess Bronny can actually do all those things, he just chooses not to do them when he enters the game.
BuT HiS vErTiCaL iS.5 iNcH hIgHeR
Posted on 7/9/25 at 2:10 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I guess Bronny can actually do all those things, he just chooses not to do them when he enters the game
Who here said Bronny was an elite scorer? There are plenty of elite athletes in the NBA that cant get to the rim and finish like that.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 2:13 pm to Patfic15
OP success! An 8 page Bronny thread 
Posted on 7/9/25 at 2:17 pm to Corinthians420
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There are plenty of elite athletes in the NBA that cant get to the rim and finish like that.
It's b/c they don't have that nba level elite athleticism. What is so fricking hard to understand about that?
Brandon Clarke has a higher vertical and faster times than all of those guys, and he's 6'8", yet you'll never see him come close to doing anything that you saw in those gifs.
Do you think you have to be an elite scorer to dribble in a straight line and dunk a basketball? Is this an elite scorer, or some elite skill being shown here? NO! it's just an elite athlete doing something that for some reason hardly any other athlete who's under 6'4" is capable of doing. That is what makes Westbrooks athleticism elite. Don't lump other athletes into this elite category just b/c of their combine measurements.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 7/9/25 at 2:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
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It's b/c they don't have that nba level elite athleticism. What is so fricking hard to understand about that?
Athleticism is athleticism. Basketball skills are basketball skills.
You cant say that unless you are a great finisher at the rim you dont have elite athleticism.
That would mean if a guy like De'Aaron Fox never picked up a basketball and instead played soccer his whole life he wouldn't have nba elite athleticism.
You wouldnt watch a video of Russell westbrook playing soccer and then say "he doesnt have elite soccer athleticism" if he couldn't dribble past guys and get a good shot off.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:25 pm to Corinthians420
Their definition of athleticism is bat shite retarded
According to them Mike Vick or Lamar Jackson immediately become unathletic if you made them play in the NBA.
Instead of being a rational human and saying they are great athletes that aren’t skilled enough at basketball to make it in nba
According to them Mike Vick or Lamar Jackson immediately become unathletic if you made them play in the NBA.
Instead of being a rational human and saying they are great athletes that aren’t skilled enough at basketball to make it in nba
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:26 pm to lsupride87
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Instead of being a rational human
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by lsupride87
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:52 pm to lsupride87
Hey dumbass, at no point have I said Bronny isn’t athletic.
But good try with your stupid arse Mike Vick comparison.
But good try with your stupid arse Mike Vick comparison.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:57 pm to lsupride87
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Their definition of athleticism is bat shite retarded
According to them Mike Vick or Lamar Jackson immediately become unathletic if you made them play in the NBA.
Instead of being a rational human and saying they are great athletes that aren’t skilled enough at basketball to make it in nba
Holy shite.
What does it matter if he can bench more than Westbrook if he can't body someone up on defense or punish a guard down low like Westbrook? What does it matter that he is faster than John Wall if he cant run a fast break or get out in transition faster than John Wall? What does it matter if he jumps higher than Derick Rose if he doesn't take advantage of it around the basket like Rose did?
He showed he was an athlete at the combine when literally nothing matters. He has not shown that he is an elite athlete on an actual basketball court. Which for a basketball player, is kind of important.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:36 pm to iwyLSUiwy
BuT HiS VeRtIcAl iS a HaLf iNcH HiGhEr
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:19 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:BECAUSE THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION IS JUST ABOUT PURE ATHLETICISM
What does it matter if he can bench more than Westbrook if he can't body someone up on defense or punish a guard down low like Westbrook? What does it matter that he is faster than John Wall if he cant run a fast break or get out in transition faster than John Wall? What does it matter if he jumps higher than Derick Rose if he doesn't take advantage of it around the basket like Rose did?
and someone with a 40.5” vert and a 10.96 lane time that finishes at the top of the nba freaking combine is an elite athlete. Period.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:40 pm to lsupride87
Just not on the court I guess lol
He CAN do all those things that lesser athletes can do. Maybe he’s just saving his athleticism for when he’s made it big time to the lakers starting lineup.
He CAN do all those things that lesser athletes can do. Maybe he’s just saving his athleticism for when he’s made it big time to the lakers starting lineup.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:53 pm to TackySweater
This is a wild thread. fricking Mason Plumlee also has very similar combine test results. I guess he's also just as athletic as Westbrook, Wall, and Amen Thompson (pride probably doesn't know who half of these people are).
The NBA combine tests are extremely limited and not a great way to judge overall athleticism. The lane agility test specifically is ridiculous to trumpet as some great barometer to prove that Bronny is elite in terms of NBA athleticism.
The teams themselves are using companies like this, which measure the type of athletic movements and burst that TeddyPadillac was referring to:
The NBA combine tests are extremely limited and not a great way to judge overall athleticism. The lane agility test specifically is ridiculous to trumpet as some great barometer to prove that Bronny is elite in terms of NBA athleticism.
The teams themselves are using companies like this, which measure the type of athletic movements and burst that TeddyPadillac was referring to:
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Since 2012, the Peak Performance Project has had a part in the predraft process for a number of entrants every year—prospects go through a gamut of tests and workouts that assess athleticism levels and biomechanics issues to be addressed. P3 has data on a majority of the players in the league today, with more than 1,000 players assessed over that decade-plus span. In tests run in the lead-up to the 2023 NBA draft, Amen’s lateral force production placed him in the 99th percentile of players in the lab’s database. Lateral force production is “really what dictates lateral acceleration,” Eric Leidersdorf, P3’s president and head of research and development, told me. And that acceleration can be applied in any possible direction. “So not necessarily your top speed, but essentially how quickly you get up to that top speed—the process of a car getting on a freeway as opposed to going the speed limit.”
P3 categorizes athletes into archetypes that it calls “clusters,” based on body measurements, range of motion, and vertical and lateral force metrics. Fox and Anthony Edwards are “Hyper-Athletic Guards”; Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Darius Garland, whose flexibility and range of motion allow them to create advantages, are “Kinematic Movers.” Amen—as well as Ausar—falls under the “Specimen” cluster, largely reserved for the most vertically explosive wing-size athletes in the database. Think Zion Williamson or Vince Carter. “Most guys take your breath away vertically because when you take on gravity and beat it, there’s something that’s just really obvious about how impressive it is,” Leidersdorf said. “For Amen, within the Specimen category, he’s the guy who has these incredibly explosive traits to him, but he’s also able to create lateral force at a level that most guys in this group just can’t. So he’s wildly impressive in that capacity.”
Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:29 pm to MusclesofBrussels
Pride didn’t know who the MVP of the fricking league was, you expect him to be familiar with P3?
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:06 pm to MusclesofBrussels
BUT HIS MEASURABLES!!!!! HIS VERTICAL IS 1/2 AN INCH BETTER THAN ROSE!!!!!
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