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Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:16 pm to Srbtiger06
the coverup was done to protect the football program and paterno...
that's the loss of institutional control and shame on Emmert if he doesn't take action....
as i said in an earlier post, the drumbeat is just starting...let's see what comes out in the next week or so, that woman from the patriot news in harrisburg is liable to come up with a couple of more bombshells...
that's the loss of institutional control and shame on Emmert if he doesn't take action....
as i said in an earlier post, the drumbeat is just starting...let's see what comes out in the next week or so, that woman from the patriot news in harrisburg is liable to come up with a couple of more bombshells...
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:18 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
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Because that mentality justified this shite. That mentality needs to be wiped away completely for Penn State to move on and to make sure nothing like this ever happens again.
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Sort of like Germany had to be basically completely dismantled and built from scratch after the Nazis had their go.
Any Jewish people posting?...because I think they'd find your analogy and reasoning offensively ridiculous.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:18 pm to ScoopAndScore
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The media's over the top,holier than thou attitude on this is starting to piss me off. They're acting like JoPa himself was actually raping little kids now. Obviously this whole thing is horrific and Sandusky desrves the worst punishment possible. And certainly it appears that JoPa and others tried to just look the other way, which is also horrendous and despicable. But we don't know everything, and no one ever will.
This is exactly the way I feel, I trIed to express this in another tread and I think I got misunderstood, but you have summed up exactly what I was trying to say
Furthermore, I know the NCAA is a private institution and can do whatever they want; but if they follow thei own rules than they will not give Penn State the death penalty. The Death Penalty is for schools that were gaining an unfair advantage over everyone else, which Penn State was clearly not. Even more so, this isn't even a football issue, it goes so far beyond that, the school and athletic program itself is going to be duely punished, criminaly as well as financially. All the parties involved seem to be being held responsible. Honestly there isn't much the NCAA should do, I would imagine Penn State is going to have some pretty harsh self imposed sanctions, if they have any sense at least. And everything else will be dealt with by te government, not a private Athletic Association
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:19 pm to Kafka
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Bob Costas is one of the most distinguished sportscasters who ever lived. Whether or not I agree with him on this specific issue, I respect his opinion.
:kige:
BTW I wish we could just STOP with all this Penn State bullshite. It is what it is. The Jerk is in jail and the people who let him get away with it are either dead or Gone from the University.
ITS TIME TO MOVE ON.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:19 pm to vl100butch
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the coverup was done to protect the football program and paterno...
I'd be willing to bet it was about protecting more than just football and Joe. This is one of those things that would have been (and now is) a huge black eye for the entire university. I highly doubt football was priority #1.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:19 pm to lsuroadie
The people who run Penn State are going to have some difficult financial decisions to make. The school is going to get hammered in civil suits, and I doubt the Legislature is going to apporpriate more money for the school to cover the unplanned costs. So the school will have to reduce spending somewhere to offset the money spent on the lawsuits.
If the people who run Penn State cut academics to pay for the law suits they will do lasting harm to the institution. They will have to make cuts first to athletics. However, cutting just football will be a problem since football pays for everything else. They are going to have to cut all sports at Penn State as a result of the Sandusky scandal.
If the people who run Penn State cut academics to pay for the law suits they will do lasting harm to the institution. They will have to make cuts first to athletics. However, cutting just football will be a problem since football pays for everything else. They are going to have to cut all sports at Penn State as a result of the Sandusky scandal.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:21 pm to Tiger1242
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Furthermore, I know the NCAA is a private institution and can do whatever they want; but if they follow thei own rules than they will not give Penn State the death penalty. The Death Penalty is for schools that were gaining an unfair advantage over everyone else, which Penn State was clearly not.
Kind of an aside, but several people on here have used that line of "they gained an advantage". While it is arguing semantics, PSU didn't really gain any competitive advantage by hiding this. They prevented a possible disadvantage.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:22 pm to Poodlebrain
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If the people who run Penn State cut academics to pay for the law suits they will do lasting harm to the institution. They will have to make cuts first to athletics. However, cutting just football will be a problem since football pays for everything else. They are going to have to cut all sports at Penn State as a result of the Sandusky scandal.
It won't be near that drastic.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:30 pm to Srbtiger06
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Kind of an aside, but several people on here have used that line of "they gained an advantage". While it is arguing semantics, PSU didn't really gain any competitive advantage by hiding this. They prevented a possible disadvantage.
Right, I would even say they put themselves at a disadvantage by covering this up
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:32 pm to Srbtiger06
gawd, i wish people would do a little research...
penn state is NOT a state university in the sense that LSU is...it's state affiliated and gets less than 10% of its budget from the state and is NOT controlled by the state....
penn state is NOT a state university in the sense that LSU is...it's state affiliated and gets less than 10% of its budget from the state and is NOT controlled by the state....
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:43 pm to Fearthehat0307
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i do not believe however that the students/players should be punished for the failings of their leaders. death penalty would effectively screw over all the current players on this team because of something they had zero involvement of
I've heard this argument a lot, and I do have sympathy for it, but I've decided it is not convincing. To get slightly political, we have a Supreme Court that has declared corporations and non-profits to be people, entitled to 1st Amendment rights and 14th Amendment protections. I'm not entirely sure what entity a university is, but I'm thinking it is akin to a state non-profit, which has to be an "individual" for jurisdictional purposes.
Anyway, if this is true, then an organization cannot be granted all these rights and protections and then as soon as it is caught in wrong doing, throw up its hands and say, "punish the inviduals, but not us!"
The university should be punished, and if that means that individuals who benefit from this organization are also going to be harmed. That is the nature of punishing organizations. If they are to avoid punishment for wrong doing on the grounds that persons may be harmed, then we could NEVER punish organizations of any kind. I just can't believe that.
Allow players and students to transfer without penalty, but if the organization should be punished, it cannot hide in the skirts of the employees who have benefited from its existence.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:51 pm to lsuroadie
Heard a caller on XM radio 91 college sports channel make a great point about why the Penn State situation is an NCAA compliance issue. He made a great point about Penn State repeatedly misrepresenting itself to recruits for years on end as a program of the utmost integrity while knowingly harboring a child rapist in its program. The point was that this fraudalent misrepresentation of the program created an unfair competitive advantage for Penn State. I don't agree that the death penalty is warranted but I do think a clear LOIC violation occurred and a severe probation is warranted. The death penalty would be more appropriate if they were repeat violators.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:55 pm to Govt Tide
i watched the meet the press podcast with costas and thought he discussed the matter in an extremely calm and professional matter and made sense with everything he said....
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:57 pm to Govt Tide
I'm thinking mods should just anchoring these penn st. threads. It's starting to be same repetitive threads over and over again.
Statue/no statue and death penalty/no death penalty.
Statue/no statue and death penalty/no death penalty.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:59 pm to jacks40
or simply put a sticky on one thread and keep the discussion there....
Posted on 7/15/12 at 1:04 pm to vl100butch
A sticky and delete anchor any thread that is made to give us someone's opinion on this situation.
We don't need a new thread every time Rick Reily, Bowden, or Costas gives their opinion on the situation.
We don't need a new thread every time Rick Reily, Bowden, or Costas gives their opinion on the situation.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 3:10 pm to jacks40
ok, i'm going to go to the help board and ask that we get a stickied Penn State/Paterno discussion thread....this could be as epic as the Cam Newton "as the plains burned" thread...
Posted on 7/15/12 at 3:21 pm to vl100butch
It will help keep the discussion contained. I was having a tough time jumping from thread to thread. Thanks.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 3:26 pm to Govt Tide
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The point was that this fraudalent misrepresentation of the program created an unfair competitive advantage for Penn State.
God, that's a stretch. What about Bama and their "claimed national titles?"
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