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re: Bob Costas just called for death penalty at PSU
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:32 am to Fearthehat0307
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:32 am to Fearthehat0307
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i do not believe however that the students/players should be punished for the failings of their leaders. death penalty would effectively screw over all the current players on this team because of something they had zero involvement of
I'm still not sure whether the Death Penalty should be implemented or not (it was not a competitive advantage, but it was also a clear lack of institutional control, the worst of which we've probably ever seen), but this line of thinking is stupid. Take away OSU's bowl ban this year, give USC back their scholarships, let UConn go to the NCAA Tournament this year, none of these players had anything to do with it... you have to lay down some punishment when teams/schools violate the rules, even if it's not "100% fair" to the current players, so the message is well-understood (not just by that school, but by others) that this kind of crap won't be tolerated. I'm sure if the Death Penalty was given, the players would be able to transfer without penalty.
This post was edited on 7/15/12 at 11:33 am
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Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:33 am to lsuroadie
Costas is a legend, no doubt, but I disagree with him here. I see death penalties for massive payment programs and shite like that. This is not one of those instances. Don't make the whole football program suffer because of the shitty decisions made by higher-ups.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:34 am to tigerblood29
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We know for a fact the head coach,athletic director and university president were all guilty in the cover-up.How much of the university has to be involved to be punished?
All of the people involved have been or are in the process of being dealt with. How deep do you want to go with it? Let's fire the janitor that cleaned JoePa's toilets on campus too. He must have known something right?
This post was edited on 7/15/12 at 11:36 am
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:35 am to H-Town Tiger
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I love how people keep saying this like its no big deal to transfer in the middle of your college career to another school. Believe it or not, there are plenty of athletes, even football players, that are there to get an education.
If we let them keep their scholarship and they won't play and don't want to transfer, then what's the problem then?
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:35 am to tigerblood29
I was on the fence but I'm leaning to death penalty.
there will be collateral damage but there is seeping disturbance to the cultish atmosphere in Happy Valley. How did the whole Ath Dept not know something was on the lamb?
there will be collateral damage but there is seeping disturbance to the cultish atmosphere in Happy Valley. How did the whole Ath Dept not know something was on the lamb?
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:35 am to diddydirtyAubie
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yeah dude...lets force these players to start over on their majors since a lot of their courses won't transfer.
They would not be forced to transfer.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:36 am to OMLandshark
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If we let them keep their scholarship and they won't play and don't want to transfer, then what's the problem then?
you're punishing players for something they didn't do.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:38 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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Take away OSU's bowl ban this year, give USC back their scholarships, let UConn go to the NCAA Tournament this year, none of these players had anything to do with it... you have to lay down some punishment when teams/schools violate the rules, even if it's not "100% fair" to the current players, so the message is well-understood
yes, but the players at least get to continue to play football and get an education. they don't have to transfer and start over on credit hours.
This post was edited on 7/15/12 at 11:39 am
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:39 am to lsuroadie
The media's over the top,holier than thou attitude on this is starting to piss me off. They're acting like JoPa himself was actually raping little kids now. Obviously this whole thing is horrific and Sandusky desrves the worst punishment possible. And certainly it appears that JoPa and others tried to just look the other way, which is also horrendous and despicable. But we don't know everything, and no one ever will.
The media now is clearly over sensationalizing the story for their own gain. That is just as disgusting to me.
/rant
The media now is clearly over sensationalizing the story for their own gain. That is just as disgusting to me.
/rant
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:39 am to diddydirtyAubie
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yes, but the players at least get to continue to play football and get an education. they don't have to transfer and start over on credit hours.
Again, no one is forcing the players to transfer. They can continue their education at Penn State under scholarship if they wish.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:39 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
quote:But why is the institution ,that had no system in place to stop this,held accountable?
All of the people involved have been or are in the process of being dealt with
That's where your problem is,this wasn't just a couple of guys doing bad things.
I have little doubt,having seen the lengths that many have gone through to try and protect the program in the aftermath,that they would've done the same if they knew of these crimes.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:40 am to Fearthehat0307
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wow just wow
Sorry, but that mentality led to this. As long as that mentality is a prominent part of their program, they should not be allowed to play. It is that mentality that led to this incident and justified its connivance. Everything JoePa built, including the Penn State dynasty, must fall. Sort of like Germany had to be basically completely dismantled and built from scratch after the Nazis had their go.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:42 am to OMLandshark
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Sort of like Germany had to be basically completely dismantled and built from scratch after the Nazis had their go.
Holy fricking shite
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:43 am to OMLandshark
However, if the emails hold up, then death penalty. Yeah, I know, its not fair to the kids. You can make the same arguments for probation and stripping titles. Its the whole culture there. Out of control and needs a major change. You can't do that with the current leadership and board.
Helping someone run a child sex ring there at Penn State with the help of the leadership across the board is MUCH worse than James and Dickerson getting cars and cash.
Helping someone run a child sex ring there at Penn State with the help of the leadership across the board is MUCH worse than James and Dickerson getting cars and cash.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:44 am to tigerblood29
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But why is the institution ,that had no system in place to stop this,held accountable?
They are and you're assuming they aren't. The civil suits will cost the university millions and the university has been very active since this happened to study ways to implement changes that will stop this from ever occurring again. These are people btw that had nothing to do with this. The university has gone out of its way to champion full disclosure. Some of it is self preservation, but it's also to prevent these horrific events from happening again.
This post was edited on 7/15/12 at 11:45 am
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:45 am to diddydirtyAubie
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you're punishing players for something they didn't do.
This is such a bullshite hollow argument. So whenever a coach bribes one player and gets caught they shouldn't get put on probation because the other players didn't know and it isn't fair to them? Give me a fricking break. You can use this argument for any rule breaking really.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:49 am to OMLandshark
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disband the sport for at least 3 years after that,
lol
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:49 am to OMLandshark
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This is such a bull shite hollow argument. So whenever a coach bribes one player and gets caught they shouldn't get put on probation because the other players didn't know and it isn't fair to them? Give me a fricking break. You can use this argument for any rule breaking really.
probation = you still get to play football
death penalty = you don't get to play football
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:51 am to ScoopAndScore
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ScoopAndScore
Yeah, real hard for me to guess which team you either root for or have ties to. It's your mentality I'm really talking about more than the idiots who light up the Penn State boards. Your post is a big reason why I become more and more convinced the Death Penalty for Penn State is essential. You clearly don't understand the tragedy and reasoning behind JoePa's actions, and the only thing that can teach people like you is suffering.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:52 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
quote:i don't have the link, but going through the Everyday Should Be Saturday site, there's a link to some legal analysis of how much the actual cost of the lawsuits would be, basing it off of abuse cases involving the Catholic Church. The average settlement is something like $1-1.5 million. So not enough to significantly impact the endowment, and likely covered by Penn State's insurance.
They are and you're assuming they aren't. The civil suits will cost the university millions and the university has been very active since this happened to study ways to implement changes that will stop this from ever occurring again. These are people btw that had nothing to do with this. The university has gone out of its way to champion full disclosure. Some of it is self preservation, but it's also to prevent these horrific events from happening again
I hear the arguments that Penn State is trying to change, but then i also see that the Board of Trustees is still being influenced by Paterno from beyond the grave -- what if we take down his statue, will it effect fundraising? stuff like that.
Maybe cooler heads will prevail and measured response to this whole thing will emerge, but it still seems like the decision makers are being unduly influenced by the perception of the football program.
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