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re: Big 12(texas10) really was hurt by the moves, in behind the scenes posturing

Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:36 pm to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:36 pm to
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I see why the SEC would take Mizzou,




any Mizzou fan denying this is in serious denial
Posted by Ostrich
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:38 pm to
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Define "better".


More national spotlight, big bowl bids, big bowl wins, money, championships, heismans etc...

I'm not at all saying A&M can't have a better season every once in a while. But collectively they will never surpass OU in Program prestige.
Posted by Ostrich
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:40 pm to
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How many years does one team have to be better to be a "better program" than another in it's current form?


I don't know, ask ESPN.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:45 pm to
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More national spotlight, big bowl bids, big bowl wins, money, championships, heismans etc...


national spotlight comes from winning, the rest of that stuff is past history. who cares.

[quote But collectively they will never surpass OU in Program prestige[/quote]

and that's relevant how?
Posted by Ostrich
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:50 pm to
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[quote But collectively they will never surpass OU in Program prestige


and that's relevant how? [/quote]

That's the whole point you're arguing with me about. I don't give two shits about Texas A&M and them going to the SEC doesn't make them elite. It creates buzz around their program that will fade away when they get their arse handed to them in their first season of SEC play
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:58 pm to
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That's the whole point you're arguing with me about


No, you are the one in the dick measuring contest. Who cares who has the "better" program, especially historically. OU has one of the top 3-4 all time programs, using that as some kind of measuring stick is pretty stupid. The most important aspects of building a top notch FB program are $$$$ and access to top talent. A&M has that, now they need to get the other things in line, the most important of which is winning.
Posted by Ostrich
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:07 pm to
Look back in the thread, dumbass. Big Kat said A&M will be ahead of OU in a few years and I responded to that, then you jumped in. I'm not making any claims other than refuting what other idiots say in regards to OU.

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A&M has that, now they need to get the other things in line, the most important of which is winning.


I really dgaf. But they won't be doing alot of winning in the SEC, especially if they could never do it in the lowly Big 12.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:08 pm to
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any Mizzou fan denying this is in serious denial


Just like any WVU fan denying their football programs "success" are tied to playing in a second tier conference that should not be an AQ conference.

It all good. Your responses are still hilarious.

You will have to "Maintain" your FL pipeline moving to the Big 12. Those are some pretty hefty distances to your road games bud. I don't give a frick about this year, we are talking in years to come.

It will now be enjoyable watching your program settle into its spot of mediocrity where it rightfully belongs.

WVU was passed over by two BCS conferences during expansion.

You go ahead and continue to play the victim card, I will continue to laugh.

This post was edited on 3/18/12 at 4:12 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:15 pm to
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Big Kat said A&M will be ahead of OU in a few years and I responded to that, then you jumped in


I jumped in speaking in generalities. A&M was a head of OU in the 90's, so its not out of the question. It would depend on who OU hires after Stoops. I would think OU will continue on as top program, but we really don't know. I wouldn't be worried about it if i was you either. the 2 are not mutually exclusive, both OU and A&M could have top 10 teams for several years going forward.

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But they won't be doing alot of winning in the SEC, especially if they could never do it in the lowly Big 12.


Totally irrelevant. Past results have no bearing on the future.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126276 posts
Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:16 pm to
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Just like any WVU fan denying their football programs "success" are tied to playing in a second tier conference that should not be an AQ conference


if you knew anything about WVU football you would know it was successful prior to the BE

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You will have to "Maintain" your FL pipeline moving to the Big 12. Those are some pretty hefty distances to your road games bud. I don't give a frick about this year, we are talking in years to come.


getting FL to morgantown has never been a problem and won't change keep the wishful thinking

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It will now be enjoyable watching your program settle into its spot of mediocrity where it rightfully belongs.

this is what its all about. You wish a program that has been better than yours to sink down to your level. We wont be sinking anywhere and will be just fine while you are going from mediocre to a doormat
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:17 pm to
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I jumped in speaking in generalities. A&M was a head of OU in the 90's, so its not out of the question. It would depend on who OU hires after Stoops. I would think OU will continue on as top program, but we really don't know. I wouldn't be worried about it if i was you either. the 2 are not mutually exclusive, both OU and A&M could have top 10 teams for several years going forward.


One has to look no further than Nebraska to see an example of how conference expansion and those dynamics influenced a once national power turning them into a middle tier program.

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126276 posts
Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:22 pm to
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One has to look no further than Nebraska to see an example of how conference expansion and those dynamics influenced a once national power turning them into a middle tier program.



you are proving how clueless you are Nebraska is not a middle tier program , yes they had some down years due to dumb moves by their AD with coaching hire. They still played in a BCS championship game even though they got crushed
Posted by kilo
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:24 pm to
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StraightCashHomey21


Really man?

Thats all you "got"?

I never had one bad thought about WVU until its fan base came flying down from their stills in the hills to start bagging on Mizzou this last year.

You all reap what you sow.

The fact you REFUSE to admit, what EVERYONE else in the country already knows, that the Big East dynamic has been an integral part of your programs success proves with out a doubt you're delusional and not to be taken seriously.

You and your fan base wreek of jelousy and sour grapes during this whole realignment proccess. Know one but the desperate Big 12 wanted your program. It stings, but its true.

So yea, after this year and all the BS, I can wait to see you struggle.
Posted by bayou2003
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:25 pm to
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Your fan base has an inferiority complex that has no rivals in all of college sports.


Huh, Have you heard of WVU vs Pitt??
Posted by kilo
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Member since Oct 2011
28557 posts
Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:26 pm to
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you are proving how clueless you are Nebraska is not a middle tier program , yes they had some down years due to dumb moves by their AD with coaching hire. They still played in a BCS championship game even though they got crushed


Wow man.

I dont know what to say to you.

Are you really that dumb? Honestly? THey are a not an elite program anymore.

You're a fricking joke.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126276 posts
Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:28 pm to
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The fact you REFUSE to admit, what EVERYONE else in the country already knows, that the Big East dynamic has been an integral part of your programs success proves with out a doubt you're delusional and not to be taken seriously.


the fact you think Mizzou would have rolled through the BE proves you are fricking clueless

WVU was successful before the BE and will be after, we are a better program have been and always will be once again enjoy being a doormat

We will be much more competitive in the B12 than you ever were
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126276 posts
Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:31 pm to
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Are you really that dumb? Honestly? THey are a not an elite program anymore.

You're a fricking joke.



how long have you been following college football are you like 12?

A few down years doesn't mean nebraska is no long a top tier football program
Posted by kilo
Suck Our Yankee
Member since Oct 2011
28557 posts
Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:32 pm to
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StraightCashHomey21


You're so fricking clueless its fricking awesome.



Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60017 posts
Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:34 pm to
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One has to look no further than Nebraska to see an example of how conference expansion and those dynamics influenced a once national power turning them into a middle tier program


Nebraska is a different case. They don't really have a home recruiting base and rely on national recruits. OU does get a lot of Texas guys, but it borders Texas and parts of N Texas are closer to OU than either A&M or UT. Most of their players are Texas/Ok kids. As long as they have a good coach and recruit well, OU should be fine.

A bigger reason for NUs fall was firing Solich, not conference realignment.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126276 posts
Posted on 3/18/12 at 4:36 pm to
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You're so fricking clueless its fricking awesome.



the only talking point you have is the BE strength as a league and claiming Mizzou would have dominated sorry 7-5 in the big 12 isn't going to run through the BE. But you ingore the facts during Mizzou's 2007 year the BE was not bad at all or in other years when the BE won BCS bowls Mizzou had an avg at best team. Talent is talent we have more and it shows when we match up out of conference
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