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re: Big 10 Commish - 2011 Bama wouldn't make playoff
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:58 pm to bluestem75
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:58 pm to bluestem75
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I know you still have to play the game too know but do you think anybody outside of LSU would have beat Alabama last year
Do I think that, no. If OK St had beaten ISU, they would have been in the title game and I'd still think Alabama was better. But, I didn't think there was anywaythe Giants would be NE in 2007. I didn't think Duke would beat UNLV. Most didn't think Florida would beat tOSU etc, etc.
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:17 pm to SprintFun
Yes...you are correct..he's been consistent ...i.e. consistently STUPID !!
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:20 pm to RLDSC FAN
Please tell that to the rose bowl jackasses i.e. Pac and little 10 !!! They've basically been standing in the way for DECADES !!!
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
I look forward to seeing the likes of undefeated TCU, Boise State, Ohio State and Cincinnati duking it out over the likes of a 1 loss LSU, Arkansas, Alabama or Florida from here on out!
Yeah, this new system will show those SEC bastards who's boss!
This is merely an attempt to screw the SEC more than anything else. If you can't beat them ON THE FIELD, let's find an alternative to end their domination!
BTW, wasn't Delaney a leading advocate for a rematch between conference champ OSU and non-conference champ, Michigan back in 2006? My what a difference six years makes.
Yeah, this new system will show those SEC bastards who's boss!
This is merely an attempt to screw the SEC more than anything else. If you can't beat them ON THE FIELD, let's find an alternative to end their domination!
BTW, wasn't Delaney a leading advocate for a rematch between conference champ OSU and non-conference champ, Michigan back in 2006? My what a difference six years makes.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:31 pm to BradPitt
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. If you can't beat them ON THE FIELD, let's find an alternative to end their domination!
Uh...well technically, if every conference champ was in the playoff - you'd still have to beat them on the field...as opposed to also the polls.
Posted on 5/11/12 at 7:59 am to Zamoro10
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"I certainly wouldn't have as much regard for that team as I would for someone who played nine conference games in a tough conference and played a couple out-of-conference games on the road against really good opponents. If a poll doesn't honor those teams and they're conference champions, I do."
This statement sounds like he would have been advocating for Oregon to get the rematch last year.
Think about it from Oregon's perspective in 2011:
They essentially got punished for scheduling and playing LSU in week one. Had Oregon gone the "Bama route" and scheduled the Blind Sisters of the Poor in week one, they would have won the Pac 12 and played LSU Jan 9th.
Damn, the more I think about Bama and their set up for 2011, the more I realize just how fricked up it was. With ESPN in charge of college football now, we can expect more bullshite like this in the future.
If I was in charge of making a schedule for a program like Bama, USC, ND or other media darlings, I would schedule a bunch of nobodies for my OOC schedule, then not worry when I lost my biggest conference game. You know you get another shot. shite, losing your biggest conference game is actually a favor to you, because now you don't have to play the extra game against another top 10 team on the road in the CCG. That's a helluva deal if you ask me. You can cakewalk your way into the BCSNCG every year by literally doing nothing to earn it.
Posted on 5/11/12 at 8:08 am to EZE Tiger Fan
It's already going that way, anyway, with everyone pussing out in the nonconference. I don't have a huge problem with the conf champ thing, so long as the SEC/Big 10/Big 12/Pac 12/even ACC are in there, especially if the conferences get even bigger. But some three loss Big East Cinci squad would be awful.
This post was edited on 5/11/12 at 8:10 am
Posted on 5/11/12 at 8:11 am to Bunk Moreland
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It's already going that way, anyway, with everyone pussing out in the nonconference.
Hey now. LSU in 2011 didn't do that.
In fact, one could argue that had LSU not played OU and WVU in their OOC games, Bama would have been in trouble.
Bama literally rode LSU's coattails into Nola on Jan 9.
Posted on 5/11/12 at 8:14 am to BradPitt
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This is merely an attempt to screw the SEC more than anything else. If you can't beat them ON THE FIELD, let's find an alternative to end their domination!
Please take the SEC derangement syndrome back to the SEC rant. Your comment is totally false.
ETA: the BCS started in 1998, the SEC Champ was 1 of the 4 highest ranked conference winners 11 out of 14 years and 2 of the ones they weren't (2001 and 2005) was due to upsets in the SEC CG. If UT wins the SEC CG in 01 and LSU wins it in 05, it would have been 13 out of 14.
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BTW, wasn't Delaney a leading advocate for a rematch between conference champ OSU and non-conference champ, Michigan back in 2006? My what a difference six years makes
Do you have a link showing he said that or are you just making it up?
This post was edited on 5/11/12 at 8:25 am
Posted on 5/11/12 at 8:21 am to Bunk Moreland
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I don't have a huge problem with the conf champ thing, so long as the SEC/Big 10/Big 12/Pac 12/even ACC are in there, especially if the conferences get even bigger. But some three loss Big East Cinci squad would be awful.
If you limit it to the top 4 conference winners, you don't have to worry about a 3 loss, #19 Big East team getting in. In the 14 years of the BCS, the lowest ranked top 4 conference winner was Wisconsin last year at 10 and they were 11-2. Illinois was #8 in 2001 and they were 10-1. Taking jus the top 4 conference winners would not be bad, 2011 was really an outlier in that not only were the 2 best teams in the same division, but those 2 looked head and shoulders above everyone else. That's really rare. Usually the top teams have a close game or 2 along the way, but that didn't happen with LSU or Bama (except of course for the 11/5 game).
90% of the time, taking only conference winners would not be remotely contraversial. If you did that last year and LSU won it, no one would care that Bama got left out.
Posted on 5/11/12 at 9:23 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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If I was in charge of making a schedule for a program like Bama, USC, ND or other media darlings, I would schedule a bunch of nobodies for my OOC schedule, then not worry when I lost my biggest conference game. You know you get another shot. shite, losing your biggest conference game is actually a favor to you, because now you don't have to play the extra game against another top 10 team on the road in the CCG. That's a helluva deal if you ask me. You can cakewalk your way into the BCSNCG every year by literally doing nothing to earn it.
You can't quite schedule nobodies -- you should schedule solid programs who will make it look like you have a solid schedule but are nowhere near elite. Penn St was a coup.
Posted on 5/11/12 at 9:37 am to H-Town Tiger
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If you did that last year and LSU won it, no one would care that Bama got left out.
I don't see why people should care if Bama got left out even if LSU wouldn't have won it all.
Bama should have been considered eliminated after LSU won the SEC and other teams from other conferences had similar resumes and records. The shite that went down last year was just ridiculous and made the whole college football season a joke. The worst thing to happen to college football in recent memory.
Posted on 5/11/12 at 9:37 am to Baloo
Stanford over Oregon last year is the best argument for using the top 4 conference winners.
Posted on 5/11/12 at 9:46 am to Colonel Flagg
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I don't see why people should care if Bama got left out even if LSU wouldn't have won it all.
I'm with you, but if Wisconsin who was ranked #10 or 2 loss Oregon, who lost to LSU by a much wider margin than Alabama did, wound up winning, then some people would say Bama should have been in. Really most of the griping would be when the field was set, after the playoff, the argument would die out, especially if LSU or OSU had won it.
The old MLB playoff is the closest analogy and it was my personal favorite. 2 divisions in each league, win your division or STFU. Occasionally we had teams like the 93 Giants or 80 O's that won 100 games but didn't win their division. That did get some to call for adding "wild cards" which I hate. I don't think there has been a 100 win WC since they added it. Maybe one of the Red Sox teams that won had the 2nd best record in the AL, but I don't think there has been another WC that had a better record than the other division winners.
This post was edited on 5/11/12 at 9:48 am
Posted on 5/11/12 at 4:53 pm to H-Town Tiger
To hear LSU fans still whining about Bama getting in after getting humiliated in the biggest game of the year is laughable. Two best teams Played and the best team won. A two loss conf champ doesn't deserve a shot over a 1 loss team whose only loss was to the number one team in the nation by 3 points in OT. Especially when the other team had the same shot and was blown out at a neutral site. The NC game was essentially a home game for LsU as y'all have bragged about N.O. For years. Just because you didn't like the outcome for doesnt change the fact that the best and correct two teams played and the better team won and easily at that. If you want a playoff take the bet four teams and to hell with cOnf champions. Conference champions does not mean you are a better team nor does it mean you deserve the right to a title shot if the goal is to determine the best team in the nation. This horse crap about favorites from LSU fans is laughable.
Posted on 5/11/12 at 5:03 pm to labamafan
Shocking response from a Bama fan. Everything you say about LSU fans being laughable applies to Bama fans saying conference championships don't matter.
Support for this idea from most of us has nothing to do with what happened on Jan 9. Why don't you try reading instead of jumping in with your obvious flaming?
Whether you like it or not, winninga conference is a) an actual, measurable accomplishment and b) 100% objctive.
What you are saying is 100% subjective. Yes, in 2011 Alabama and LSU looked like the far and away the 2 best teams. That doesn't happen every year. So how do you determine who the "best" are? Overall record? rankings which are also entirely subjective? The "eyeball" test? What criteria do you use?
Feel free to list any legit solutions, other wise go back and troll the rants.
Support for this idea from most of us has nothing to do with what happened on Jan 9. Why don't you try reading instead of jumping in with your obvious flaming?
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Conference champions does not mean you are a better team nor does it mean you deserve the right to a title shot if the goal is to determine the best team in the nation.
Whether you like it or not, winninga conference is a) an actual, measurable accomplishment and b) 100% objctive.
What you are saying is 100% subjective. Yes, in 2011 Alabama and LSU looked like the far and away the 2 best teams. That doesn't happen every year. So how do you determine who the "best" are? Overall record? rankings which are also entirely subjective? The "eyeball" test? What criteria do you use?
Feel free to list any legit solutions, other wise go back and troll the rants.
This post was edited on 5/11/12 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 5/11/12 at 5:06 pm to labamafan
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To hear LSU fans still whining about Bama getting in after getting humiliated in the biggest game of the year is laughable.
admit the fact that you didn't read a damn bit of this thread.
Posted on 5/11/12 at 5:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Whether you like it or not, winninga conference is a) an actual, measurable accomplishment and b) 100% objctive.
Exactly.
If we're going to have a playoff - I'm of the opinion that we can't have a real one unless we get rid of our reliance on subjective oponions (the polls) - I am so tired of the polls and they have no place in a small playoff system.
Before the NCAA tournament expanded, they only invited conference champions...the regular season is a playoff in determining admittance into the post-season. If we go to 16 team Super-conferences then maybe you have to at least win your respective division...regardless, on field winning of a smaller prize needs to matter before being allowed at the big prize.
A playoff has always been about reward - not the "best" team. I don't need to know who the subjective "best" team is - I just need to know who the on-field champion is.
This post was edited on 5/11/12 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 5/11/12 at 5:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Most didn't think Florida would beat tOSU
basketball or football?
Posted on 5/11/12 at 5:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
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90% of the time, taking only conference winners would not be remotely contraversial. If you did that last year and LSU won it, no one would care that Bama got left out.
Some of those conference winners didn't even win their division outright. UT beat OU on the field and lost a tie breaker a few years back. Taking conference champions doesn't fix everything because obviously UT fans felt pretty screwed when they beat OU head to head.
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