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re: Better Career Favre-Rodgers?

Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:24 am to
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:24 am to
Amazing how similar their careers are in substance with wildly different mental approaches.. both are gun slingers at their core which makes me wonder how good Farve couldve been if he prepared the same
Posted by IggyReilly
New Orleans, LA
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:27 am to
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This is false, the only time they were close was when Lambeau wanted to move them to Los Angeles. They promptly ran his arse out of town despite winning them their championships.


I'll admit I don't know a ton about the Packers' early history and I was intrigued by this so I did a quick wiki dive. According to wiki, the team was on the brink of bankruptcy in 1949 so Lambeau wanted to bring in outside investors to shore up their finances. This of course would have abolished their public ownership structure so team officials nixed it and offered Lambeau a revised contract stripping him of control over non-football matters (which he promptly declined). Bringing in private ownership would have 100% resulted in the team moving somewhere sooner or later.

That said, the team was still in dire financial straights and bankruptcy was still likely, but in 1950 a freak fire (due to faulty electrical wiring or lightning strike) at the Packers' state of the art training faculty allowed the Packers to use the insurance money to pay off their debts and obtain solvency.

Interesting little bit of team history I was not aware of. I've always loved the Packers' designation as a publicly owned non-profit (which the NFL no longer allows) and the fact that there's an NFL team and a huge stadium in whats an otherwise sleepy little suburb in Wisconsin. It's interesting to learn that if not for a freak fire they'd likely not be there anymore, either due to relocation or outright folding. I mean, the early history of football had tons of teams in smaller cities and teams folded and relocated all the time for various reasons. It's cool that one of them has managed to not just survive, but thrive for over 100 years now and because of the public ownership they'll never be at risk of leaving. Pro sports will almost certainly never see anything like that ever again.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:38 am to
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in 1950 a freak fire (due to faulty electrical wiring or lightning strike) at the Packers' state of the art training faculty allowed the Packers to use the insurance money to pay off their debts and obtain solvency.


Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:42 am to
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Love Favre as a player and human


Posted by Sheriff Brackett
St. Petersburg, FL
Member since Oct 2024
332 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:43 am to
Rodgers and it's not even close if we're talking strictly stats and play on the field.

He was Mahomes before Mahomes became who he is. I have never seen someone throw the ball and put it in places like Rodgers can.

He is one of the greatest to ever do it.

Favre was more beloved during his career because of his personality, and I think that has really put a damper on Rodgers because of his callousness at times.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:43 am to
Favre was good all the way until the day he retired.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:15 am to
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Favre. He was relevant til the day he retired. He left Green Bay & had success. Rodgers left and vanished

Rodgers "vanished" because one game into his NYJ career he tore his Achilles He hasn't even been that bad this year, his team and coaching staff is awful.

If anything, it's Favre who had a miserable end to his career. 60% completion, 11TD/19INT in his last season. While his best season was in 09, 10 was putrid.

I also despise Rodgers, but he's one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of all time. I mean he has 200 less interceptions thrown than Favre in about 50 less games.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:16 am to
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Rodgers and it's not even close if we're talking strictly stats and play on the field.



Career stats:
Passing yards: Favre 71,838 Rodgers 62,021
Touchdowns: Favre 508 Rodgers 495

Favre: 13-11 in 12 postseason appearances, 12-10 with the Packers, 1-1 with the Vikings.
Rodgers: 11-8 in 10 postseason appearances with Green Bay

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He was Mahomes before Mahomes became who he is. I have never seen someone throw the ball and put it in places like Rodgers can.



I am guessing that you're young and never watched mid-90s Favre so I will let it slide.

Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:17 am to
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nd never watched mid-90s Favre


A lot on here dont remember how good mid 90's Favre really was.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:23 am to
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A lot on here dont remember how good mid 90's Favre really was.



He didn't win 3 MVPs with his personality
Posted by Sheriff Brackett
St. Petersburg, FL
Member since Oct 2024
332 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:49 am to
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Career stats:
Passing yards: Favre 71,838 Rodgers 62,021
Touchdowns: Favre 508 Rodgers 495

Favre: 13-11 in 12 postseason appearances, 12-10 with the Packers, 1-1 with the Vikings.
Rodgers: 11-8 in 10 postseason appearances with Green Bay


I thought Favre was great. I was able to catch the middle of his career up until the end. Rodgers was just different, man.

He has the highest passer rating in the history of the league and he's been doing this for 16 years.

Rodgers has played in 244 games so far and Favre has played in 321, and they essentially have the same number of TD passes.

Favre was an interception machine, and Rodgers has a fraction of the INTs that Favre threw (336 vs. 113).

Rodgers has 7 of the top 10 best TD/INT ratios for a quarterback with 500+ pass attempts in a season.

Favre was beloved because his personality and "small town" persona and I think that plays a huge factor into the debate.
Posted by bad93ex
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:17 am to
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Favre was an interception machine, and Rodgers has a fraction of the INTs that Favre threw (336 vs. 113).



Yet, they have the same number of Super Bowl wins and Favre has more playoff victories. Once Mike Holmgen left the Packers (they wouldn't give him the GM title) and was replaced by Ray Rhodes (possibly the worst HC in Packers' history) then Mike Sherman came in WITH a GM title and proceeded to run the organization into the ground. Look at the marquee free agent signing Joe Johnson that Sherman landed. This would eventually lead to Sherman having to relinquish the GM duties to Ted Thompson and him nailing nearly every draft pick (outside of Justin Harrel) while drafting Aaron Rodgers.

The Packers were a far more stable organization when Rodgers played and they had better skill position players as well hence the disparity in passer rating. Favre didn't give a shite if he threw interceptions, Rodgers absolutely didn't want to throw picks and would take a sack instead.
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
10675 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:21 am to
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The franchise was in real danger of maybe having to relocate.

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All I needed to read. It shows that you know nothing about how the Packers organization works.

LINK
Right from their own team webpage smartass. I know exactly how the Packers work you cocksucker. I've been a fan since 1979.
Posted by Sheriff Brackett
St. Petersburg, FL
Member since Oct 2024
332 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:31 am to
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Yet, they have the same number of Super Bowl wins and Favre has more playoff victories.


Favre has 2 more postseason wins than Rodgers. You're acting like he has 10+ more playoff wins.

If we're going by that metric, Rodgers has more MVPs than Favre does (4 vs. 3), and more Super Bowl MVPs (1 vs. 0).

I also don't recall any big free agent signings that Rodgers was given during Ted Thompson's tenure and now Gutekunst. Rodgers even won a Super Bowl with the same guys Favre had (Jennings, Driver, etc.).

I would argue if Favre actually gave a shite about not throwing INTs, he would have multiple Super Bowls (see Saints vs. Vikings as prime example).

Even Burrow said that sacks are an overblown stat. Unless you're in the red zone or FG range, just punt the ball away and not give it right back to the other team.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175803 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:41 am to
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The most recent danger of the Packers relocating occurred in the 1950’s when they were fighting to build New City Stadium. They built it, it was renamed Lambeau Field, hired an Italian from New York, and the rest as they say is history. At no time since the new stadium was built was that franchise ever going to relocate.

The Packers played almost half their games in Milwaukee until 1995, coincidently once Favre had them respectable again. The Packers didn't give a shite about Lambeau Field.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:51 am to
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He didn't win 3 MVPs with his personality


He could have though.


Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:55 am to
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Favre didn't give a shite if he threw interceptions, Rodgers absolutely didn't want to throw picks and would take a sack instead.


I've said for years Rodgers seemingly being more worried about his INT stats than anything else cost them wins.


Favre would throw some picks that would piss you off to no end, but the guy played to win. Didn't give a shite about his stats.

Also, if Rodgers had to take the hits Favre did he would have been out of the league after 5 or 6 years. Favre was a warrior out there while Rodgers was a vagina that put up pretty stats.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:00 pm to
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Also, if Rodgers had to take the hits Favre did he would have been out of the league after 5 or 6 years. Favre was a warrior out there while Rodgers was a vagina that put up pretty stats.



Kevin Greene would have ended Rodgers' career along with Sapp, Urlacher, Bill Romanowski, Lynch and John Randle.
Posted by Sheriff Brackett
St. Petersburg, FL
Member since Oct 2024
332 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:07 pm to
I bet that you had a slightly different tune when those INTs were costing the Packers games.

I don't see why people knock Rodgers for not wanting to throw INTs. Those are drive killers and momentum shifting plays. No fan wants their QB to throw picks. Nussmeier's pick in the A&M game changed the entire dynamic and was what galvanized the opponent.

There's a big difference between being aggressive and playing like an idiot and Favre had a tendency to do both.

Favre was tough for sure, but I definitely wouldn't say that Rodgers is some vagina that is scared to get hit like Brady was. He's taken some hits and shown he can hang in there.

Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
24139 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:24 pm to
6 years ago Rodgers was being touted as the greatest QB in history.

He was good but not the greatest. I don’t even think he was the greatest GB QB
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 12:26 pm
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