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re: Baylor has fired Art Briles
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:39 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:39 pm to WestCoastAg
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and by encouraging the women to not come forward.
but did this stop any? i keep asking for that. it's not clear
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And by making the victims lives hell at school
well there is one student who did end up leaving b/c a player (who was found guilty of assaulting her) wasn't suspended from school. but we have to balance the rights of all parties. the other extreme, which i abhor, involves suspended the alleged perpetrator. that's just as terrible b/c that person may not be guilty of anything
i didn't read the whole report, but who else had their lives made hell?
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they have almost no difference in meanings because you're still presumed innocent until proven guilty
So like I said, you believe that Aaron hernandez should have been allowed to play football, sign autographs for children, be in the community after he was charged with murder, only because the word 'guilty' wasn't read yet?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:and I honestly fail to see why that matters. They encouraged the women to not come forward. Whether the women did or not does not make the actual act of doing so any less horrible
but did this stop any? i keep asking for that. it's not clear
quote:not allowing the student in the uwatchuku case to move t a different class?
i didn't read the whole report, but who else had their lives made hell?
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:42 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
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you believe that Aaron hernandez should have been allowed to play football, sign autographs for children, be in the community after he was charged with murder, only because the word 'guilty' wasn't read yet?
well that decision is up to the Pats. that's subject to the NFL CBA and if the Pats violated the CBA, he has recourse through that procedure. there isn't a similar regulatory body overseeing these incidents on campus
plenty of NFL players have played while accused of crimes and plenty were found innocent (or partially innocent)
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:43 pm to WestCoastAg
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They encouraged the women to not come forward. Whether the women did or not does not make the actual act of doing so any less horrible
well if the alleged victims still filed criminal charges then what damage was done?
i don't agree with the practice, but i don't think any university employee should be investigating or contacting the victim in these scenarios. it's a criminal issue at that point and should be handled by actual police/prosecutors
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not allowing the student in the uwatchuku case to move t a different class?
i always saw it reported as they didn't force him out of the class
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Still have no idea what the difference is between accused and charged so I'm done trying to get it into your mind.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:44 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
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Still have no idea what the difference is between accused and charged
is the alleged perpetrator still presumed innocent?
that's a yes or no question
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:because they tried to squash any allegations out. That's horrible. That's a terrible thing to do and there is no excuse. Regardless if any women actually didn't come forward because of the pressure. The fact is that it existed and that alone is horrible enough
well if the alleged victims still filed criminal charges then what damage was done?
quote:I also don't think it's right because it allows situations like this where the school can put it's own interests in front of the students and that's clear as day what happened here
but i don't think any university employee should be investigating or contacting the victim in these scenarios. it's a criminal issue at that point and should be handled by actual police/prosecutors
quote:my understanding was that it was the other way around but I may be wrong
i always saw it reported as they didn't force him out of the class
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:52 pm to WestCoastAg
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because they tried to squash any allegations out. That's horrible. That's a terrible thing to do
i agree. this is a cautionary tale as to why universities shouldn't be involved in this
i'm not defending these behaviors. it's bad shite. i'm saying if the ultimate result ended up with real criminal charges the objective effects are not that great. i said earlier if one person didn't file a criminal report b/c of this, then that's 1 too many
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I also don't think it's right because it allows situations like this where the school can put it's own interests in front of the students and that's clear as day what happened here
yes
the schools either go way towards the alleged victim or way towards the alleged perpetrator
i don't know if there is a workable middle ground in these scenarios, so the schools should be OUT of it
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my understanding was that it was the other way around but I may be wrong
if they wouldn't let her transfer that's terrible
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:my understanding was she was trying to get out of her class with ukwuachu and the Baylor administration didn't help her out. But it could have been that she tried to get ukwauchu out of her class instead. I haven't really looked at that situation in a while
if they wouldn't let her transfer that's terrible
Posted on 5/26/16 at 6:14 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
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If the District Attorney brings rape charges against you, in no way, shape, or form can you still call the allegations 'unfounded'.
I guess you know nothing about the Duke lacrosse case.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 6:15 pm to WestCoastAg
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This post was edited on 7/4/16 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 6:44 pm to hendersonshands
Uhh, should the Coaching Changes board be fired up again?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 7:13 pm to BamaChick
This situation is totally different from those at Ohio State and Penn State. Everyone knew the NCAA was going to drop the hammer on those schools when they fired their respective coaches.
Baylor did this on their own. No one "forced them". The situation analogous to Baylor's is Arkansas' firing of Bobby Petrino.
In both cases, the universities acted to protect the schools from (further) liability. Even it took firing extremely successful head football coaches.
If you don't applaud actions like these, you won't encourage future actions like them.
Baylor did this on their own. No one "forced them". The situation analogous to Baylor's is Arkansas' firing of Bobby Petrino.
In both cases, the universities acted to protect the schools from (further) liability. Even it took firing extremely successful head football coaches.
If you don't applaud actions like these, you won't encourage future actions like them.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 7:33 pm to hendersonshands
Awesome , a year too late
Posted on 5/26/16 at 7:43 pm to McCaigBro69
I've met him and he's a prick
Posted on 5/26/16 at 7:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Here
police. they're much more accountable if they engage in frickery
Right about here
This was where the shark was jumped
Posted on 5/26/16 at 7:48 pm to Iosh
well a public body with specific criminal laws regulating it is more accountable than a private school like Baylor
and if a university railroads an alleged suspect there is no recourse other than civil
and if a university railroads an alleged suspect there is no recourse other than civil
Posted on 5/26/16 at 8:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so they took a questionable transfer and when he acted up, he never played a down for the team until he was convicted?
going to need more than that
It was a lot worse than that, this story is over a year old, search is your friend.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 8:10 pm to ecb
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It was a lot worse than that,
what did i miss?
he got indicted and never played for the team because of that
then he was convicted and was sent packing
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