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re: B1G expansion rumors are surfacing
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:01 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:01 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
I think Dan Wetzel at Yahoo has said it's not about eyeballs, but that they can jack up the subscriber fee if a B1G school is in that state. This shite is going to come crashing down at some point. I'm not sure if it's cord cutting or a la carte packaging, but one day we're going to look back at realignment and think it was completely stupid. But, I guess if the money is so good now, it doesn't really matter.
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:02 pm to Bunk Moreland
Rutgers and Maryland are major State universities. There's really no looking back badly on this.
This post was edited on 1/6/16 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:03 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I think Dan Wetzel at Yahoo has said it's not about eyeballs, but that they can jack up the subscriber fee if a B1G school is in that state. This shite is going to come crashing down at some point. I'm not sure if it's cord cutting or a la carte packaging, but one day we're going to look back at realignment and think it was completely stupid. But, I guess if the money is so good now, it doesn't really matter.
True, but since all big ten schools have such large alumni bases and statewide fan support a la carte programming works for a big ten channel. If you're a Rutgers fan you choose to pay for the Big Ten network for Rutgers sports.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:06 pm to Bunk Moreland
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but that they can jack up the subscriber fee if a B1G school is in that state.
This. If your market is home to a B1G school, the subscriber fee is higher than if you're watching the channel in a non-B1G market.
"Let’s do a little quick “back of the napkin math” on this massive victory for BTN. At last check, the channel charges a $1.00 fee per subscriber per month for those customers within the conference footprint, which NY/NJ now falls into thanks to Rutgers. Much like the “Is Andy Murray British or Scottish debate,” New Jersey gets to be a part of the NYC metropolitan area seemingly only when it’s convenient to someone looking to make money.
Cablevision has 3.1 million subscribers in the area. Time Warner has a little more than 2.6 million subscribers in New York state, many of them concentrated in the city. New Jersey has a fraction of that at just over 40,000. Let’s just be extra conservative and put the total number of subscribers that will now get BTN at 4 million.
Just from this deal alone, the Big Ten just pocketed an extra $48 million per year."
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:07 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Exactly. B1GN and SECN aren't going to be hurt nearly as bad as other channels. They both have millions of people that watch them. Hell I wish I got the B1GN because I just love college football and college sports.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:09 pm to KosmoCramer
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Rutgers are major State universities. There's really no looking back badly on this.
I'm thinking it didn't really align from a "fit" standpoint. Largely saying that because of geography, tradition, and all the other stuff that fans care about but which the people trying to make the money do not.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:21 pm to KosmoCramer
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Houston?
Not a chance.
Only UT, Aggies and Rice meet their academic requirements, and no other school in Texas is close.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:23 pm to MontyFranklyn
I don't expect the B1G to expand until AFTER their deal is in place. They will create a clause concerning the addition of teams for sure though.
As for B1G prospects for adding, they aren't going to go for more than 2 at a time. Academics are extremely important, as are brands. Continuous states are preferred but not required. It depends which way they want to go as to which schools are prospects.
West:
Kansas-decent fit. new state. AAU. Basketball.
Oklahoma-Everyone knows their qualifications, but they lack AAU status, and aren't even close. Every single team admitted had been in the AAU at time of admisson. Some are pissed about Nebraska, so I wouldn't doubt that the academics hold Oklahoma out.
Missouri- AAU, couple rivals, new state, but would they leave the SEC?
A Missouri-Kansas addition would be an under the radar good pickup to me. Restart the border war, MU-Nebraska, rivalries, while making the MU-Illinois rivalry a conference affair. Fortifies the B1G as one of the Top 2 basketball conferences, and works nicely for a west division in football, allowing Purdue and Indiana to go back to being in the same division.
East:
Virginia and UNC- its no secret. These are preferred by the B1G. The only question would be if they would leave now.
Wild:
Notre Dame- same old story, and yes, B1G would take them without AAU.
As for B1G prospects for adding, they aren't going to go for more than 2 at a time. Academics are extremely important, as are brands. Continuous states are preferred but not required. It depends which way they want to go as to which schools are prospects.
West:
Kansas-decent fit. new state. AAU. Basketball.
Oklahoma-Everyone knows their qualifications, but they lack AAU status, and aren't even close. Every single team admitted had been in the AAU at time of admisson. Some are pissed about Nebraska, so I wouldn't doubt that the academics hold Oklahoma out.
Missouri- AAU, couple rivals, new state, but would they leave the SEC?
A Missouri-Kansas addition would be an under the radar good pickup to me. Restart the border war, MU-Nebraska, rivalries, while making the MU-Illinois rivalry a conference affair. Fortifies the B1G as one of the Top 2 basketball conferences, and works nicely for a west division in football, allowing Purdue and Indiana to go back to being in the same division.
East:
Virginia and UNC- its no secret. These are preferred by the B1G. The only question would be if they would leave now.
Wild:
Notre Dame- same old story, and yes, B1G would take them without AAU.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:29 pm to 5thTiger
If the B1G does ever expand again, I would suspect that the conference really doesn't want to do major realignment again. East/West format is fine just the way it is. I wouldn't be surprised if the BIG went East again and added UConn and Virginia. Just move Indiana back into the West so they can be with rival Purdue again and call it a day.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:30 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Baylor and a few others all may be targets.
If B12 implodes, we go to a G5 conference. We just don't have to offer what other, less athletically successful, schools have to offer
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:30 pm to VerlanderBEAST
i think Iowa st is one of the school going to b1g
a lot more in common with b1g than big12.
ISU/?
a lot more in common with b1g than big12.
ISU/?
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:33 pm to stlslick
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i think Iowa st is one of the school going to b1g
Absolutely not.
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a lot more in common with b1g than big12.
Perhaps, but the B1G has absolutely 0 incentive to add ISU.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:35 pm to stlslick
I can't see Mizzou jumping conferences again so quickly, and they had a chance to join before they opted for the SEC.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:36 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:Please no
B1G expansion rumors are surfacing
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:45 pm to Dire Wolf
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According to this LINK Baylor and Rutgers are tied at 72
The only people who pay attention the US News rankings are prospective students and their families. You'd be surprised how little higher ed administrators care about the quality of the undergraduate education in their institutions.
Decision-makers in higher education care about AAU status and global rankings that focus on research. One example would be the Shanghai-Jiaotong rankings: LINK
Even this ranking system is viewed with considerable skepticism, however. It focuses almost entirely on the hard sciences, as it was developed as a way for Chinese unis to benchmark themselves against the rest of the world. Without academic freedom and strong homegrown academic journals, the humanities and social sciences are largely hopeless in Chinese universities.
This post was edited on 1/6/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/6/16 at 1:56 pm to MikeyFL
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Decision-makers in higher education care about AAU status and global rankings that focus on research. One example would be the Shanghai-Jiaotong rankings: LINK
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:02 pm to 5thTiger
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West:
Kansas-decent fit. new state. AAU. Basketball.
Oklahoma-Everyone knows their qualifications, but they lack AAU status, and aren't even close. Every single team admitted had been in the AAU at time of admisson. Some are pissed about Nebraska, so I wouldn't doubt that the academics hold Oklahoma out.
Missouri- AAU, couple rivals, new state, but would they leave the SEC?
A Missouri-Kansas addition would be an under the radar good pickup to me. Restart the border war, MU-Nebraska, rivalries, while making the MU-Illinois rivalry a conference affair. Fortifies the B1G as one of the Top 2 basketball conferences, and works nicely for a west division in football, allowing Purdue and Indiana to go back to being in the same division.
East:
Virginia and UNC- its no secret. These are preferred by the B1G. The only question would be if they would leave now.
Wild:
Notre Dame- same old story, and yes, B1G would take them without AAU.
Syracuse + Kansas or bust
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:04 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I think Dan Wetzel at Yahoo has said it's not about eyeballs, but that they can jack up the subscriber fee if a B1G school is in that state. This shite is going to come crashing down at some point. I'm not sure if it's cord cutting or a la carte packaging, but one day we're going to look back at realignment and think it was completely stupid. But, I guess if the money is so good now, it doesn't really matter.
This is exactly what I've been saying for about a while now.
It's strategically stupid. The future of the industry is going to undercut these conference television networks something fierce at some point. It's a matter of when, not if.
ESPN and Disney are just hemorrhaging money right now. The model is not sustainable.
Conference cohesion, brand, and competence (read: athletic prowess) will be what matters, not television markets.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:10 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Syracuse + Kansas or bust
Syracuse adds nothing. We've already got New York.
Mizzou would have been best.
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