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Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:24 pm to VADawg
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I kind of wonder if he has decided he wants to pitch somewhere where he doesn't have to deal with the humidity, which seems to be the trigger for his blister problems. Very real chance this is just as much of a Max decision than a Braves decision, IMO.
This makes sense.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:47 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Wash interviewing for the Angels job
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:52 pm to Broski
If we package him with a couple other pieces maybe we can get a controllable #2 SP from someone? Idk man, just tired of losing these guys for nothing
Contract year Max probably shoves so probably worth it to keep him.
Contract year Max probably shoves so probably worth it to keep him.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:08 pm to K9
Unless we send him to a team that Fried is willing to re-sign with before he hits the open market, his trade value won't be high enough to where we could get someone close to Fried's level, considering we don't really have many prospects to pair him with. Teams aren't going to be giving up much for a 1-year rental before the season even starts.
He will be most valuable before the deadline when contending teams will be more willing to sacrifice longterm in hopes of landing that "final piece" for a title run. But that wouldn't really make sense for us, assuming we will be contenders at that point as well. We'd literally be helping our direct competition.
It's a shitty situation, but that's the game you play when you just let star contracts run out without any intention of negotiating a longer deal.
Saying we should trade Fried this offseason is like saying we should've traded Freddie in the offseason before 2021.
He will be most valuable before the deadline when contending teams will be more willing to sacrifice longterm in hopes of landing that "final piece" for a title run. But that wouldn't really make sense for us, assuming we will be contenders at that point as well. We'd literally be helping our direct competition.
It's a shitty situation, but that's the game you play when you just let star contracts run out without any intention of negotiating a longer deal.
Saying we should trade Fried this offseason is like saying we should've traded Freddie in the offseason before 2021.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:08 pm to Broski
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Saying we should trade Fried this offseason is like saying we should've traded Freddie in the offseason before 2021
The chance of re-signing Freddie before 2021 was several times higher than the chance of re-signing Fried. Freddie would have been a done deal had he not let his agent take 100% control.
Not saying I would trade him (though I've been consistent in saying that letting a star walk for peanuts is terrible), but the situation is a lot different. Everyone thought we would re-sign FF. No one thinks the same about Fried.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:31 pm to Dale Murphy
So we should hang on to a pitcher who has value just so we “hope” he gives us something next October. We’ve already done that the past 2 October’s and he gave us about as much as a #3 or #4 SP would. If you are not going to resign him then he has to be traded. Let a team on the cusp like the Orioles who would love a paper tiger to sell to their fans. And get back some minor league pieces before we just lose him outright.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:43 pm to Dale Murphy
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The chance of re-signing Freddie before 2021 was several times higher than the chance of re-signing Fried
What do the chances matter if Freddie left anyway?
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No one thinks the same about Fried.
You mean you don't want to re-sign one of the best LHP in the game in his age 30 season?
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:47 pm to RunningJacket
My feelings wouldn't be hurt if they traded him. Not sure what they'd get back for him in return. Of course, it would have to be worthwhile. Not asking for an ace for an ace. But it's not like he helped us a whole lot this year. Strider is your ace. Plenty of good pitching help in the FA market if AA is willing to spend. Morton a 3, Elder a 4, and any of the young guys a 5. And if we need help at the deadline, trade for a starter.
Or we could hope he has an injury-free season and wins helps them win a WS before he signs with the Dodgers.
Or we could hope he has an injury-free season and wins helps them win a WS before he signs with the Dodgers.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:50 pm to Dale Murphy
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Plenty of good pitching help in the FA market if AA is willing to spend.
None at their best are better than Fried at his best, not to mention we have to assume that AA/Liberty is more likely not to spend.
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Morton a 3, Elder a 4
Morton is a borderline 3 and really more of a luxury 4 as he gets older. Elder is a 5.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:57 pm to Broski
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You mean you don't want to re-sign one of the best LHP in the game in his age 30 season?
You compared the end of 2020 with Freddie to the end of 2023 with Fried. Most were very confident they would re-sign Freddie. No one is confident that they'll re-sign Fried. That is the only point I was trying to make. Totally different situation.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:02 pm to Dale Murphy
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Most were very confident they would re-sign Freddie.
We were confident because we had no data yet on how this FO regime would handle negotiations with a star player.
The whole time we were just like, "oh, there's no way we let Freddie walk." We were even saying that after Freddie was very public in voicing his displeasure that an extension didn't get done prior to the 2021 season and he said he wouldn't do anymore negotiating until after the season was over... when he was on the open market.
I'm sure at that point, AA definitely knew and Freddie probably had an inkling that was likely his last season as a Brave. But we all couldn't imagine that remotely being a possibility.
Until it was a reality, as was the case with Dansby the following year, as will be the case with Fried after this season if we don't lock him up this offseason.
With all that said, it does us no good to trade him for prospects and MLB-ready pitchers that aren't as good as him when our window is right now.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:14 pm to Broski
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We were confident because we had no data yet on how this FO regime would handle negotiations with a star player.
Doesn't matter why we were confident. It only matters that we were. And we're even more confident that Fried won't be here after 2024. So the situations aren't the same even if they end with the same results.
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With all that said, it does us no good to trade him for prospects and MLB-ready pitchers that aren't as good as him when our window is right now.
The window extends for a few years. I think it's completely acceptable to sacrifice one year (note I did not say give up) for improvement toward the end of the window.
We'll win the division with or without him. And as we've seen, the playoffs are a crap shoot. Give me Sonny Gray and trade him for another MLB arm.
You're betting the farm on him 1. being healthy and 2. him pitching like an ace in the postseason.
It's all in fun anyway, there's no way he's being traded. Just playing devil's advocate. Not much else do to in the off-season.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:31 pm to Dale Murphy
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The window extends for a few years.
Not really, because it's not like all other contracts magically extend within the window.
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I think it's completely acceptable to sacrifice one year (note I did not say give up) for improvement toward the end of the window.
the literal definition of sacrifice is to give up. Regardless, you're insane if you think it's a good look to bow out in the NLDS to a division rival two years in a row and answer that by trading off one of the best lefty pitchers in the game for future parts.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:36 pm to Dale Murphy
Very, very little chance anyone we could get for Fried would provide more value than a full season of Fried in a year where we are favorites + a comp pick.
Almost no chance anyone we would get for Fried has anywhere close to his top end ability.
Is getting 6-7 years of a 4/5 starter from 2026-2033 and a BP piece now (or something similar to this in value) better than a season in the prime of the window of the pitcher who has the best ERA in the sport over the last 4 seasons and a top 50 pick? No way.
Almost no chance anyone we would get for Fried has anywhere close to his top end ability.
Is getting 6-7 years of a 4/5 starter from 2026-2033 and a BP piece now (or something similar to this in value) better than a season in the prime of the window of the pitcher who has the best ERA in the sport over the last 4 seasons and a top 50 pick? No way.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:50 pm to volfan30
One of the dumbest takes to come out of these last two years of postseason meltdowns is that we need to change the stars on this team, because apparently they are the problem.
Like it's that easy to replace Fried.
Like it's that easy to replace Fried.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:57 pm to volfan30
Reading comprehension is key. Tell me where anyone has said to trade him for a BP piece. I have stated if it's a worthwhile trade. I think we all realize they're not getting a TOR guy plus pieces for one year of Fried. Which is why he's not getting traded. Had I realized that shooting the bull about unlikely scenarios was so frowned upon by the leaders of this thread, I would not have done so. My bad. 
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:58 pm to Broski
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Like it's that easy to replace Fried.
No one said this. I'd love to know what it would take in your opinion to trade Fried.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:58 pm to Dale Murphy
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Had I realized that shooting the bull about unlikely scenarios was so frowned upon by the leaders of this thread,
Lol, so counter points to your points aren't allowed?
That's not how conversation works.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:59 pm to Dale Murphy
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So there is absolutely nothing you would trade Fried for?
Short of Ohtani or Snell, nope.
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