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re: Assume they play their best. Who is the best golfer in the world?
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Assume they play their best. Who is the best golfer in the world?
Nobody touches Rory when his driving and putter are working. Rory's problem is that he makes too many mental mistakes
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Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:05 pm to beaverfever
Don’t forget the injuries. Age of course is gonna slow you down but his injuries are way more serious than most people wanna admit.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:08 pm to Madking
quote:I think the biggest indication that it’s all feel for him is when he has good days.
inch or 2 consistently and the results start to become huge.
When he’s feeling it he’s SO aggressive. It shows up instantly.
And when he’s lost and has no feel it’s apparent from the jump. He babies everything.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:09 pm to lsufball19
It’s true and like beaver said you can see his confidence has been shattered. You mentioned his practice but also his pre major tourney schedule is drastically different. He’s in much better shape compared to a Jack at 46, maybe he needs to slow down and get rid of the pressure to get another major soon. Build his foundation back and let it happen instead of trying to force something now.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:11 pm to ReauxlTide222
Agree, he looks so mechanical when he’s not making putts early on.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:17 pm to ReauxlTide222
Rory’s got the most turbo-charged extra gear. The gap between Rory, DJ, Rahm, and JT isn’t big, but Rory has the capability to fly higher than the others when it’s all clicking.
JT and Rahm have the most fire and will to win. DJ is the best pure athlete and I think probably the best putter of the four. Rory can strike a golf ball better than any of them, though.
JT and Rahm have the most fire and will to win. DJ is the best pure athlete and I think probably the best putter of the four. Rory can strike a golf ball better than any of them, though.
This post was edited on 9/4/20 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:23 pm to Madking
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maybe he needs to slow down and get rid of the pressure to get another major soon
I think he needs to play more instead of slowing down. He played in the Genesis in early February and didn't play again until The Memorial in mid July before playing the PGA 3 weeks later. It's not a mystery why he's been so inconsistent. He hasn't been playing enough tournament golf. It's one thing to go out to his club, pound balls, and ride around in a cart with no pressure. It's quite another for a 43 year old to play 2 tournaments in 7 months and be expected to compete at a major, or really in any tournament. He played in just one fewer tournament in the 2017-2018 season (18) than he has the past two combined. He only played in 12 PGA events in the 2018-19 season. Assuming he plays in the US Open and Masters to finish out this year, that will be just 21 tournaments played since September of 2018.
Of course this year was weird with COVID, but he didn't play in the first 8 tournaments held after the restart. If he's going to find consistency in his game, he just can't afford to take these huge breaks between tournaments. It was honestly a miracle he won the Masters because he'd taken off a month between that and the Players, but he at least had 5 tournaments under his belt leading up to Augusta.
Obviously he knows his body better than anyone else, and it may be that he pushed himself too hard in 2018 when he returned and he's trying to milk every year he has left in him instead of maybe burning out too soon. But IMO, to stay competitive in those majors he wants to keep pushing for, he has to play more competitive golf, bottom line.
This post was edited on 9/4/20 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 9/4/20 at 5:35 pm to lsufball19
Yes my bad I worded that poorly, I meant slow down on the scramble and pressure to win a major. I agree with you, play a normal schedule, treat yourself as the player you are now not the player you were.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 6:42 pm to lsufball19
My point is he’s overrated in the sense that he’s not a generational talent in putting like many say. You’ll often hear in arguments that he’s the greatest putter of all time. He’s not, but he is the greatest iron player of all time(or possibly second behind Hogan).
He’s probably not a top 30-40 putter of all time. My whole premise is you can still be elite and overrated.
He’s probably not a top 30-40 putter of all time. My whole premise is you can still be elite and overrated.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 6:52 pm to nugget
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You’ll often hear in arguments that he’s the greatest putter of all time.
I don't hear that often. I do hear often he's maybe the best clutch putter of all-time, and there's a lot of evidence to support that and really no statistical way to quantify and or refute it either. I don't think it's very arguable that he was a top 5 putter in the world for most of his prime. That makes him elite. And if you include the countless clutch putts he's made in big time moments, I think it's silly to say he's not a top 30-40 putter of all-time. Making a bunch of putts on Thursday and Friday don't mater if you can't sink a must make putt on Sunday with the tournament on the line. I can't think of anyone who has made more "do or die" putts than Tiger was throughout his career.
This post was edited on 9/4/20 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 9/4/20 at 6:58 pm to lsufball19
If you just took the 2000 PGA vs May plus the duel vs Els at Dubai combined Tiger had more long distance signature style putts In those two tourneys than most have in their entire careers.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 7:04 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Did you just say dj is the best putter? Lmao.
Why is speith getting no love?
Why is speith getting no love?
Posted on 9/4/20 at 7:28 pm to lsufball19
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Making a bunch of putts on Thursday and Friday don't mater if you can't sink a must make putt on Sunday with the tournament on the line.
Making a putt on Sunday and making a putt on Thursday is worth the same amount of strokes.
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can't think of anyone who has made more "do or die" putts than Tiger was throughout his career.
Completely anecdotal, full of confirmation bias, and mostly because he’s been in contention much more than anyone else.
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That makes him elite.
Great, like I said, you can be elite and overrated. He’s a great putter, but not one of the all time greats, like many argue.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 8:02 pm to nugget
He was 2nd, 102nd, 82nd and 10th from 2000 to 03. That’s putts per green
Posted on 9/4/20 at 8:50 pm to nugget
Well, you're the only person on the planet I've ever heard argue he isn't among the all-time great putters. Not THE best, but among the greats. You're wrong, but if that's the hill you want to die on, then by all means you're entitled to that opinion. I would be curious to see this list of 30-40 all-time great putters better than him (your words). Should provide some laughs. It doesn't make you edgy to challenge conventional wisdom because some dude you heard speak said Tiger wasn't as good a putter as a ball striker.
This post was edited on 9/4/20 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 9/4/20 at 9:14 pm to lsufball19
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You're wrong, but if that's the hill you want to die on, then by all means you're entitled to that opinion.
You sure are getting angry defending a guy who finished outside the top 50, in his prime, multiple times.
And they’re not some guys, they’re the top 2 statisticians on the PGA Tour.
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you're the only person on the planet I've ever heard argue he isn't among the all-time great putters.
Well, that further proves my point that his putting is overrated.
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It doesn't make you edgy to challenge conventional wisdom because some dude you heard speak said Tiger wasn't as good a putter as a ball striker.
You’re way too emotional for someone who doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.
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would be curious to see this list of 30-40 all-time
Tons of fringe guys you’ve never heard of. Stan Utley is a better all time putter than TW, even though he only won one event. Denny McCarthy is a better putter now than TW in his prime. Step back from stars you’re seeing and it might make more sense.
This post was edited on 9/4/20 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 9/4/20 at 9:19 pm to nugget
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You sure are getting angry defending a guy who finished outside the top 50, in his prime, multiple times.
You realized putts per green is a really poor statistical metric and is no longer used for that reason. And for whatever reason you completely ignored stats provided to you earlier where he only finished outside the top 5 once in a 5 year span in shots gained putting, finishing 2nd two of those years.
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Well, that further proves my point that his putting is overrated.
It proves your point he’s overrated because you’re the only one who says he is? Sound logic
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You’re way too emotional for someone who doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.
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Tons of fringe guys you’ve never heard of. Stan Utley is a better all time putter than TW, even though he only won one event. Denny McCarthy is a better putter now than TW in his prime. Step back from stars you’re seeing and it might make more sense.
did you google “fewest putts per green records” and repeat the most random names you found? Yep, you did This post was edited on 9/4/20 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 9/4/20 at 9:23 pm to nugget
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Assuming they play their best, it’s Rory.
He's a mental midget.
Posted on 9/4/20 at 9:24 pm to swagsurfin7
Brooks Koepka
Posted on 9/4/20 at 9:27 pm to lsufball19
No, I doubt they even had stats when Utley was playing. McCarthy is the first person to lead tour in strokes gained putting in back to back years.
If you’ve only heard people talk about how great he is, then yes. Wipe the tears away from your eyes, you’ll be ok.
It’s no longer used because some guy you’ve never heard of came out with strokes gained. Maybe you shouldn’t have show your ignorance earlier by calling Broadie “some guy”
Not to mention, if you’re talking about career as a putter, you’ve got to talk about all the poor years as well.
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It proves your point he’s overrated because you’re the only one who says he is?
If you’ve only heard people talk about how great he is, then yes. Wipe the tears away from your eyes, you’ll be ok.
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You realized putts per green is a really poor statistical metric and is no longer used for that reason.
It’s no longer used because some guy you’ve never heard of came out with strokes gained. Maybe you shouldn’t have show your ignorance earlier by calling Broadie “some guy”
Not to mention, if you’re talking about career as a putter, you’ve got to talk about all the poor years as well.
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