re: Are the Hype Fire and Icons cheat bats for 11-14U?

What a thread

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You’re an idiot.

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yet i actually have expierence doing it. Do you really think its hard to get young 7-8 years olds to do chinups :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

but yea im the idiot, yet you have zero experience in this area, zero

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An 11 year old who weighs between 80-90lbs is in the 40th-60th percentile.

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umm I know, thats small. you act like im not around this all the time.

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Look man. I agree that a kid should be practicing with a heavier bat

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that is all i said

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t. You don't seem to grasp that concept of how that can be pushed too far and be a detriment to a prepubescent kids mechanics in certain instances. You're worried about making a kid stronger, when what they should be more focused on is how their entire body should be used to hit certain pitches. What their hips, feet, hands, shoulders, etc should be doing to drive an inside fastball over the 3rd basemans head, or how to drive that low outside fastball into the RF gap, or how to barrel up that breaking ball and drive it back up the middle.

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do I? did i say anything and i mean anything about not focusing on mechanics? Did I say anything about getting a long loopy swing?

I dont think im the one that isnt grasping concepts

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none of that can be effectively worked on swinging too heavy of a bat

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yea you are not very familiar with certain drills with heavy bats. Again im not the one that is confused here

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You can't teach or learn god given talents like speed and strength to an 11 year old.

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you have absolutely zero clue wtf you are talking about. Can i add a shite ton of muscle to them....no, but you absolutely can make them much much much stronger and much faster based off that strength and being able to apply force and being able to recruit motor units at a much faster rate.

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You can work on it all you want, and yes of course it'll help them improve but a prepubescent kids body has serious limitations of how strong they can be.

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didnt say that there wasnt. but you can get them much stronger than they are.

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t's a waste of time to work on those "skills" when you can simply wait for them to develop naturally as they get older and turn into young men.

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no it isnt. gives them a huge heads up. if you really think its a waste of time, we will never ever ever agree.

but understand that I do performance training as a side thing. mainly focusing on younger kids. if you think its a waste I dont know what to tell you.

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There are better skills that can be learned at that younger age that will improve as they get older with the naturally added strength.

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for the fricking 100th time....I NEVER SAID DISREGARD MECHANICS!!!

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It's no different than kids starting too early shooting on 10' for basketball. They end up throwing the ball instead of shooting it correctly and it messes up their mechanics at an early age which is extremely difficult to correct later on.

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we have this thing called Moment of inertia that we understand how we can manipulate that to not frick with mechanics too much. We understand the drill progression on how to be able to use the heavier bats and actually improve mechanics. its why the best hitting instructors do that and use tech like blast sensors and cameras to actually make sure mechanics are there

the fact that you think you cant train bat speed before puberty is fricking laughable. DO you really think that kids cant adapt? do you think med ball throws and front arm med ball throws dont work? do you think proteus doesnt work?


how familiar are you with the driveline or longworth systems? what about outfront hitting and how he handles things? what guys like connor mcmullin or bill miller? What about the camwood coaches like Wes Helms? many of these guys are considered some of the best hitting instructors in the country and they all use heavy and light bats in some form. Bill is very famous for his one arm med ball throws and work with the proteus. Driveline and camwood speak for themselves. Outfront and longworth consistently have the top guys in each age group when you look at exit velo per age on hittrax. Connor and prime performance in houston are consistently taking young 11-12 year olds and getting them into D1, year after year.

but you do whatever you want but you may want to do research before argueing. You seem to think because people use heavy bats that automatically means that they dont care about mechanics. Anything but. you also seem to think that things come naturally, prolly think velo comes naturally too....guess what...it doesnt.

again do whatever you want, but may want to research the people i just mentioned and how heavy bats can be used properly to improve mechanics and improve bat speed if you want your kid to play in this game past youth ball. Im not trying to be a dick, actually the opposite, im trying to open your eyes and your mind to the fact there are extremely knowledgeable people out there that know more than you. I know a lot about hitting, you may know way more though, but when it comes to performance training, i promise you dont and i know for a fact you absolutely should be training an 11 year old if you want them to have a leg up. but again, do what you want.

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we can just agree to disagree. I think speed and strength training for a 12 and under kid is a complete waste of time. Completely pointless

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yet you are not involved in that world, you do not train kids and have zero certifications so you "opinion" is literally based on nothing.

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'll continue to watch my "small" 82lb 11 year old kick their arse in basketball, soccer, football, and baseball without his personal trainings in each sport.

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very fricking doubtful. very doubtful. playing little league and local house soccer doesnt count.

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You can believe what you want, but you can't teach speed, natural athleticism, natural instincts and feel for the game, and you can't teach aggression

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again based on what qualifications are you speaking from?

speed is literally force in the ground and angles. Field sports are played in acceleration phase ~95% of the time. acceleration is about force and angles, period.

but hey go ahead and teach me how to recruit more motor units and rate of force development. im sure you know more than the best trainers in the world.

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I get that you're making money off people believing that,

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i make zero money off of that. zero off of training anyone. I do it because its my passion and i offer it for free and only to those that I want to train.

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Let me know how they are training all those Dominicans and Venezuelans that litter the MLB.

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see this is where yall get stupid. the domicans are plucked from their homes at 10 if they show promise in baseball. they are sent to live at academies where they live, go to school and train 6+ hours each day.

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hat's why the rest of the world is better at developing youth over the US. We are more interested in making money off kids than developing them the correct way. A country of 3 million people tied the USA in the World Cup. In no world should that ever happen, but we suck at developing youth at every single sport. Jokic, SGA, and Doncic are 3 of the best players in the world, yet none of them possess the athleticism that dominates the nba, and none of them grew up in the shitty AAU circuit in america.

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yet that is why we dominate the olympics for the most part. but you ever think that maybe, just maybe it might be because kids have more choices here? that for the most part they do not live in extreme poverty

ever think that maybe our best athletes dont grow up wanting to play soccer? maybe a lack of exposure, same with tennis. yet you failed to mention womens tennis because we have dominated that for 2 decades now by having the best athletes.

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The rest of the world focuses on skill sets that can actually be learned and improved upon, while we're over here thinking we are going to make this kid hit a ball 30' farther by strength training.

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umm yea because we know it works. guess bonds was just using steroids to help his hand eye coordination

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Maybe worry about hitting the fricking ball first instead of how far it goes when you do hit it.

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lol who the frick said anything about not hitting the ball and forgetting about mechanics except your dumbass?

here is the bottom line....your little 11u kids hits that dont get out the infield or barely get to the outfield...those are outs in 2 years. so better enjoy it while it last. and they would be outs now if you played competition.

bottom line is exit velo and bat speed along with throwing velocity are skills that actually scale to the big field.


i wasnt trying to be mean and was fine disagreeing but then you had to go off being a dick. here is a little advice, try not living in 1992 anymore and actually using the internet to educate yourself. i gave you a bunch of resources to look at. strength training is part of long term athletic development. as far as athleticism goes, look into baseball flows and dr gallo. as far as strength training for youth baseball, look at driveline.

final piece of advice, if you are not educated on a subject, dont argue. instead instead, go read up on the subject and maybe learn a thing or two. maybe it will change your mind, maybe it wont, but at least you will be educated enough to give an opinion on something instead of just blindly saying something does or doesnt work without any actual knowledge.