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Are colleges to blame for bad offensive tackle play in the NFL?
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:52 pm
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What has happened to offensive tackle play? The near-absurd inability of any of the four tackles playing in the Super Bowl to effectively block the man lining up against them served to highlight an ongoing trend across the sport.
Is college football to blame?
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One of the greatest offensive tackles ever believes that’s partly the case.
“The game has changed in the college level all the way down to the high school level,” Tony Boselli told Frank Frangie on 1010XL Jax Sports Radio. “Do you know I didn’t learn to pass block until college because we ran the ball (in high school)? There was a physicality of the position. At (U)SC you were balanced, we were a pro-style offense, we ran and passed.
“Today in college, you start in high school, you have all these spreads that don’t learn how to block in high school. I’m a high school coach (Jacksonville Episcopal); what I see is amazing. In college they’re not learning, and with the 20-hour rule (limiting practice time) – or less – there’s even less time.
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During the conversation between Boselli and Frangie, Boselli’s “Jaguars Thursday” radio partner Jeff Lageman, a first-round NFL draft pick out of Virginia and 10-year NFL veteran, cited the Rams’ Greg Robinson as a perfect example of what Boselli was explaining.
Robinson was the second pick in the 2014 draft out of Auburn, where he excelled in Gus Malzahn’s up-tempo, spread offense. That experience has not helped his pro career.
“(Greg Robinson) can’t play tackle – can’t play it,” Boselli said.
“Because he’s never had to play tackle the way it’s played in the National Football League until he got into the National Football League,” Lageman responded. “He’s a tremendous talent, but if he had five years to develop … ”
Another strong indictment of the HUNH offense. While it helps level the playing field, it also reduces the quality of play at the offensive line position by a staggering amount.
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:53 pm to RollTide1987
Good thing colleges play to win and not to prepare them for the NFL
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:54 pm to SoFunnyItsNot
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Good thing colleges play to win and not to prepare them for the NFL
The best college programs do both.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:59 pm to RollTide1987
Yeah I've always said Greg Robinson was overrated. But TT was right about him getting drafted high.
I guess now they'll move him back to guard.
And I don't understand why the NFL coaches can't teach him the right techniques.
I guess now they'll move him back to guard.
And I don't understand why the NFL coaches can't teach him the right techniques.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:59 pm to RollTide1987
Since the age of passing offenses and quarterbacks throwing the ball 40+ a game I think coaches have started putting their best athletes at DE to rush the passer and you're seeing OT's have trouble with these hyper athletic freaks. Just a thought
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:00 pm to RollTide1987
Grob played pretty damn good this year
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:01 pm to RollTide1987
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best college programs do both
Cyrus is a beast in the NFL
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:02 pm to RollTide1987
Do colleges deserve credit for the freak edge rushers in the NFL right now?
I get where some guys might not translate to the NFL immediately due to the HUNH offenses. You gotta take your time and develop them a bit more than other positions in th NFL. But LT might be the hardest position to play outside of QB. If they struggle early on, move them to RT or OG and let them learn for a few years.
I get where some guys might not translate to the NFL immediately due to the HUNH offenses. You gotta take your time and develop them a bit more than other positions in th NFL. But LT might be the hardest position to play outside of QB. If they struggle early on, move them to RT or OG and let them learn for a few years.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:04 pm to RollTide1987
I think we subliminally set them up for failure when we call the position "tackle," when in reality they are supposed to block.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:09 pm to RollTide1987
Here's an idea. Stop drafting them in the first round and creating unrealistic expectations. Pick them up at a reasonable price point and fricking teach them what you want them to do.
College football may share a small portion of the blame, but the win now mentality of the NFL is a much bigger issue.
College football may share a small portion of the blame, but the win now mentality of the NFL is a much bigger issue.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:11 pm to CrazyCadillac
No. The rule changes favoring the passing game is to blame for the bad offensive line play in the NFL. Offensive linemen are always at a disadvantage against pass rushers. With teams throwing the ball as much as they do nowadays, it's a recipe for lots of sacks and negative plays.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:44 pm to CrazyCadillac
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Grob played pretty damn good this year
He was the most penalized offensive lineman in the NFL this year. His technique is still bad. He's extremely talented though and when he plays with clean technique he looks like a #2 overall pick.
But remember, he played OG in HS and left Auburn as a RSsophomore. He came into the league with only 2 seasons of experience at the position and still only has 4 overall. He's progressed a lot since he got into the NFL. He'll get there.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:53 pm to RollTide1987
There do seem to be a lot of mediocre to bad players drafted early at that position lately even from college programs that run an offense closer to an NFL-style scheme. Guys like Kalil and Fluker aren't exactly lighting the world on fire.
Have to wonder if it's really worth spending that high of a pick on an olineman when you have other needs.
Have to wonder if it's really worth spending that high of a pick on an olineman when you have other needs.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:00 pm to Mstate
I agree with that, it's more that at DE and OLB hybrids are becoming freaks of nature, no single OT can contain them all game. You need to have cohesive and comprehensive blocking schemes.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:30 pm to RollTide1987
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Another strong indictment of the HUNH offense.
Sounds like an indictment of a scouting department that drafted a player who didn't know how to play his position.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:38 pm to someoldhussy
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Sounds like an indictment of a scouting department that drafted a player who didn't know how to play his position.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:52 pm to SoFunnyItsNot
USC, Florida State, Bama, Iowa, Michigan, Miami, Oklahoma have been producing the best offensive tackles the last 15 years during the rise of the spread and hurry-up.
And all those have been running more traditional NFL offenses. (Even when OU went spread and hurry-up, they still always had a power running game - AD.)
And all those have been running more traditional NFL offenses. (Even when OU went spread and hurry-up, they still always had a power running game - AD.)
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:52 pm to imraged
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Guys like Kalil and Fluker aren't exactly lighting the world on fire.
Well, Bama tackles struggle adjusting to not holding on every play.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:21 pm to RollTide1987
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Another strong indictment of the HUNH offense.
Bitch about it all you want coach Saban, they ain't gonna outlaw it
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Good thing colleges play to win and not to prepare them for the NFL
The best college programs do both.
Lets not pretend that all colleges, including Bama have their fair share of busts. But G-Rob was the # 2 overall pick, how he does in the pros is up to his pro team and him, not his college.
Boselli is just another old timer yelling at the kids to get off his lawn.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:43 pm to RollTide1987
I wonder how different Greg Robinsons career had been playing in a pro style offense at LSU?
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