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Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:36 pm to Kcoyote
quote:By the way, here are the rankings for USF in the advanced model rankings.
Except one. USF. Who just so happens to be playing UCF next week. Can't let UCF have another top 25 win or else they'll have a better SOR than some top 10 teams.
FEI 43rd
FPI 48th
S&P+ 15th
SRS 38th
Power Rank 40th
Sagarin 43rd
In fact, the Massey Composite of 100+ models, has then with average ranking of 31st, with the a mean ranking or 33.7 and median ranking of 33.
Massey Composite
So when the models are rating them outside the top 25, I’m not sure why we should be expect the polls to have them in the top 25.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:45 pm to Kcoyote
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The committee creates what they want to create. It's bad
I have no doubt we got a committee bump to #24 to make the SC-Clemson match more appealing/"mean more"
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:48 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Ohio State has zero argument over Notre Dame
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:51 pm to buckeye_vol
He is not talking about 2017 Arkansas, He is talking about 2007 Arkansas which was pretty badass that year with Dmac and Felix jones. Dmac should have won the Heisman that year.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:03 pm to pioneerbasketball
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imagine if usf was undefeated and beat ucf this week.
They would have their first victory of the season over a bowl eligible team!
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:10 pm to buckeye_vol
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FSU was better before the QB knocked out for the year mid-game.
Not calling you out specifically, but why do people incorrectly recall that their QB was knocked out late in the 4th quarter already down 24-7.
5:41 remaining, Francois sacked by Harrison to bring up 4th down. FSU would have one final drive after that. Ran 3 plays and the game ended.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:01 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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If Alabama wins OR loses this week...they are in.
Why not just take the week off and not have to play Georgia.
If Auburn wins the SEC title, Alabama is in too.
2011 had no problem with not winning your division let alone conference and the committee has shown no allegiance to that criteria beyond "4 best teams" and eyeball test.
Alabama would have to get blown out in the Iron Bowl and then Georgia would have to whip Auburn for Alabama to not be sitting pretty sitting out the SEC Champ game while being guaranteed a playoff spot by doing nothing but taking a bye week.
I don't think the Committee is going to have enough to push them in with a loss this weekend unless some weird stuff happens. If they're going against another one-loss non-conference champion (like Miami), then they'll get the spot, but if they're up against a 2 loss OSU B1G champion who has just beaten Wisconsin...
They won't have a single win inside the top 15 and only two top 25 wins. I know eye test and all that, but the resume just isn't there unless some weird shite happens.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:06 pm to wildtigercat93
Reason-process... Changes every year
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:10 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Ohio State has zero argument over Notre Dame
I am not sure that would be the case, even as much as I want us to go and as much as I dislike OSU.
An OSU with wins over a top 10 Wisconsin (probably dropping to 8 - 10 with an OSU victory), a top 12 or so PSU, and a top 20 MSU is probably stronger than our resume of a win over a top 10 USC, a top 20 MSU, and a top 25 Stanford (with the slight possibility that Wake Forest and/or NC State back doors into the top 25 next week). Our losses are better, actually much better even with the blowout at Miami, but they'll have a slight edge in big wins and a conference title to boot.
Notre Dame has more or less accepted as fact that we have to be clearly and obviously better than a conference champion with the same number of losses to get into the playoff in this format. It's sort of the deal we made with the devil. I don't think that would be the case this year w/r/t OSU. I think one wrench that could be thrown into the wheel is if PSU and/or Wisconsin lose this coming weekend...then I'll start talking us up over OSU.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:36 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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They won't have a single win inside the top 15 and only two top 25 wins. I know eye test and all that, but the resume just isn't there unless some weird shite happens.
If the committee keeps Bama out then the CFB world has truly changed from ESPN controlled Polls.
Okie State had a way better resume than Alabama but they got left out.
So if Bama gets in again...it's just the old eye test...which I presume will happen. I truly believe Bama is better off just losing a close game to Auburn...and sitting on the couch at home while Auburn and Georgia fight it out to face them again.
We've seen this before. This isn't fantasy. Losing the right to go to the SEC title game hasn't been punished in the Polls like it should have been - for all teams.
You just get a goddamn vacation by not having to play the SEC Title game. So why win? SEC Title doesn't mean jack...why risk the extra game if you only have 1-loss?
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:58 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I think the one single thing above all others that the Committee has shown they value is quality wins. Alabama will be in a world of hurt in that category if they were to lose Saturday, particularly if Mississippi State and/or LSU lose as well.
If Alabama loses Saturday, the following teams will have a better SoR than they will:
Clemson if they win out
Miami if they win out
Oklahoma if they win out
Georgia if they win out
Auburn if they win out
Ohio State if they win out
Wisconsin if they win out
Notre Dame if we win on Saturday
They'd be fighting it out with a potential PAC 12 champion USC. Those are all big programs with huge fanbases, tradition, etc., so the financial incentive isn't there to undercut a Baylor or a TCU, as an example.
They would be in a world of hurt in that scenario.
I absolutely think Alabama is one of the four best teams in the sport this year, but their schedule just fell apart around them, and they don't have a resume that would hold up to scrutiny in that scenario. Florida State collapsed, Tennessee sucked arse, their other cross-SEC opponent was Vanderbilt, and the West was solid but not outstanding this year. Not necessarily their fault, but them's the breaks in college football.
If Alabama loses Saturday, the following teams will have a better SoR than they will:
Clemson if they win out
Miami if they win out
Oklahoma if they win out
Georgia if they win out
Auburn if they win out
Ohio State if they win out
Wisconsin if they win out
Notre Dame if we win on Saturday
They'd be fighting it out with a potential PAC 12 champion USC. Those are all big programs with huge fanbases, tradition, etc., so the financial incentive isn't there to undercut a Baylor or a TCU, as an example.
They would be in a world of hurt in that scenario.
I absolutely think Alabama is one of the four best teams in the sport this year, but their schedule just fell apart around them, and they don't have a resume that would hold up to scrutiny in that scenario. Florida State collapsed, Tennessee sucked arse, their other cross-SEC opponent was Vanderbilt, and the West was solid but not outstanding this year. Not necessarily their fault, but them's the breaks in college football.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:03 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:28 am to Kcoyote
More fun things about UCF:
They beat Navy 31-21 on the road. Navy just went toe to toe with Notre Dame on the road, losing 24-17, a game Navy was ahead in the 3rd and tied in the 4th.
They beat Maryland 38-10, a team that shocked the CFB world by beating Texas in the opening week.
They beat Memphis 41-13, handing Memphis their only loss this year.
They beat Temple by almost the same exact score Notre Dame did, but yet again played them on the road while ND got the home treatment.
They beat Navy 31-21 on the road. Navy just went toe to toe with Notre Dame on the road, losing 24-17, a game Navy was ahead in the 3rd and tied in the 4th.
They beat Maryland 38-10, a team that shocked the CFB world by beating Texas in the opening week.
They beat Memphis 41-13, handing Memphis their only loss this year.
They beat Temple by almost the same exact score Notre Dame did, but yet again played them on the road while ND got the home treatment.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:27 am to Kcoyote
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More fun things about UCF
They needed that game against GT for comparison sake. The Memphis win was really good. GT almost beat Miami so a blowout win would have looked nice especially since GT beat VT. It wouldn’t have really mattered anyhow unless they had scheduled and beat a 1 loss top 10 team.
It’s going to be hard for anyone not in the Power 5 to ever make the playoff unless it goes to 8 teams. Playing UCF is a huge risk with very little reward for the big guys. You get no respect for beating them and your championship hopes die if they beat you. Their name doesn’t draw money either. I live in Houston and unless Fertita gets UH in a power 5, then they’ll forever have a glass ceiling at number 5 and everyone knows it.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:59 am to wildtigercat93
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I really don't see the point of a playoff if we are gonna be giving a 2 (blowout) loss Ohio State the nod over undefeat
This is where most people go wrong, focusing on who you lost to rather than who you have beaten.
For the record I am not in favor of OSU making the playoff but the argument that UCF should be ranked higher is failed logic. UCF has 0 wins over anyone in the top 25. OSU has beaten Mich St and Penn State. Granted OSU has 2 losses so that factors in but this is the same reason that Wisconsin despite its undefeated record is not in the top 4 and Clemson and Oklahoma (both with 1 loss) are.
Going to be difficult for a group of 5 team to ever make the playoff and rightfully so. They just don't face the same level of competition on a weekly basis that the power 5 teams do. Im not saying they may not be as good, they'll just have fewer opportunities to show that.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:17 am to HailToTheChiz
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We should have kept bcs computers and got rid of the human element all together
FIFY
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:31 am to AbuTheMonkey
Alabama is in even if they do lose to Auburn, which I think they will.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:36 am to Kcoyote
quote:I've been thinking this since the 2015 season. It's not a true playoff and when you don't come out at the beginning of the season and state what you are looking for in a playoff team. You get to make up the rules as you go.
The committee creates what they want to create. It's bad
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:37 am to BatonRougeBuckeye
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UCF has 0 wins over anyone in the top 25.
First off, this is the point of this thread. USF should be top 25 now.
Also, Memphis is top 25. They beat them 40-13.
But the committee MAKES resumes with what they do with teams ranked 10-25. That's the issue.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:42 am to wildtigercat93
How does OSU have two blowout losses? The Iowa loss was awful (and continues to fester since they decided to call it a season after that) but the Oklahoma loss was very far from a blowout. Oklahoma did not have their first lead of the game until late in the 3rd quarter, and OSU actually was ahead for most of it.
OSU vs Clemson last year? Blowout. OSU vs Florida in the 06 MNC? Blowout. OSU vs Oklahoma this year? Ultimately a good game that OSU lost, but not a blowout.
OSU vs Clemson last year? Blowout. OSU vs Florida in the 06 MNC? Blowout. OSU vs Oklahoma this year? Ultimately a good game that OSU lost, but not a blowout.
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