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Anybody else miss the Big Man era/Post play?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:09 am
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:09 am
Yeah, there are some positives to watching small ball high-scoring games, perimeter excellence and flashy pick n roll finishes, but at the same time, the rules have made 7-footers+ practically obsolete.
I find myself a lot of times just wanting to watch a Shaq type dominate down low or a Kevin McHale dip and scoop a lay-up on some fool. It seems the few Big Men there are now are only 3 & D role players. Kind of sad the art of post-play is practically gone.
I find myself a lot of times just wanting to watch a Shaq type dominate down low or a Kevin McHale dip and scoop a lay-up on some fool. It seems the few Big Men there are now are only 3 & D role players. Kind of sad the art of post-play is practically gone.
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:12 am to LSUFreek
No
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:08 am to LSUFreek
Yes. People claim that the modern era is more exciting. It WAS exciting because it was different. It’s not different now, as every team does it. Look at the shot charts. Shots are coming from about 20% of the areas on the floor.
Back and forth scoring has now been rendered boring because that’s all the game is about. It’d be nice to see two guys go at it in the low post for an entire game.
Back and forth scoring has now been rendered boring because that’s all the game is about. It’d be nice to see two guys go at it in the low post for an entire game.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:57 am to LSUFreek
Nah not really. I'd suggest binge watching a few classic games to get your nostalgia fix in. After about the 5th game, you'll probably be like me and realize that the post era was pretty boring.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 3:58 am
Posted on 1/21/21 at 5:38 am to LSUFreek
I know this is going to sound shocking to many, but the death of low post play can be blamed on modern defense more than modern offensive philosophy. Lax zone defense rules means you can clog the hell out of the low post. In 1996 you could put 1-4 outside of the 3 point line and their defenders had to follow them along, leaving far more favorable 1 on 1 low post matchups. Simply cannot do that anymore.
Hell, the best way to get low post play in today’s game is to be surrounded by shooters including a stretch-4. That creates the room for post play that you cannot get otherwise.
Hell, the best way to get low post play in today’s game is to be surrounded by shooters including a stretch-4. That creates the room for post play that you cannot get otherwise.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 6:11 am to LSUFreek
I realize how many guys get paid millions to NOT be able to make a 3 pt shot
Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:08 am to LSUFreek
quote:
the rules have made 7-footers+ practically obsolete.
it's not "the rules"
and plenty of 7-footers are playing and at a much higher skill level than the bigs you remember
the inflection point was the 2002 FIBA World Championships
not only did we come in 6th place, but Ben Wallace (at the time in the NBA the apex defensive player) was utterly exposed and made to look like an incompetent fool
Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:10 am to slackster
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but the death of low post play can be blamed on modern defense more than modern offensive philosophy.
there is still a place for offense down low, but it will never be the "dump it down low and clear out" stuff from the past
i used to joke on here that the only way to make an efficiency-based argument for that kind of play requires a Shaq. well we may see something along those lines with Zion b/c of how efficient he is down low. there just isn't the talent to make it worth it and skilled big men create more efficiencies
Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's not "the rules"
Last I checked the three point shot is a rule. Without the three point shot, teams would be working for the closest shot again. The game is backwards now because of the three point shot.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:12 am to SlowFlowPro
Looks like Nick Collison was the only college player on a full NBA roster? Pretty bad arse.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:19 am to RedHawk
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Last I checked the three point shot is a rule. Without the three point shot, teams would be working for the closest shot again. The game is backwards now because of the three point shot.
last i checked the 3 point shot existed in the 90s, which is when i assume OP is referencing
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:25 am to LSUFreek
Nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:29 am to TexasTiger08
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Back and forth scoring has now been rendered boring because that’s all the game is about. It’d be nice to see two guys go at it in the low post for an entire game.
I agree. I miss the days of Kareem dragging Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:35 am to bbeck
Nope
The rule changes is what created
It is now more and more like the NBA game
Pretty much all fundamentals are leaving the game
It will show in the international competitions like Olympics
The rule changes is what created
It is now more and more like the NBA game
Pretty much all fundamentals are leaving the game
It will show in the international competitions like Olympics
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:39 am to LSUFreek
Nope. You're remembering the highlights from the stars. Most post play was ugly and boring. And Embiid and Jokic still go to work in the post if you need your fix. Plus it's fun watching them create their own post up opportunities without needing to receive a deep entry pass, since the zone rules have made it so difficult to just toss it down there.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:41 am to TallMan
I do for certain. I love watching a good motion offense that utilizes back picks and ball movement.
Now it's get out of my way, I'm going to the hoop or kick it out for 3. Boring is right. There's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube either.
Now it's get out of my way, I'm going to the hoop or kick it out for 3. Boring is right. There's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube either.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:45 am to LSUFreek
quote:lol you mean the entire history of the NBA minus the last 9 years?
the Big Man era/Post play?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:46 am to TallMan
quote:you mean the rules from 2002?
since the zone rules have made it so difficult to just toss it down there.
Where did this myth come from.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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there just isn't the talent to make it worth it
That's because the Bol Bol's of the world know in order to make the league now they have to make 3-pointers like they are Reggie Miller.
It's sad that relative midgets like Draymond Green are All Stars in the paint while there's barely minutes in the G-League for a Tacko Fall.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:14 am to nicholastiger
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Pretty much all fundamentals are leaving the game
I love how dribbling with your back to the basket is “fundamentals” but excelling at layups and 3 point shots isn’t.
NBA players are more versatile now than ever but they lack fundamentals. Sure.
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