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re: Another LHSAA vote coming Wednesday

Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:28 pm to
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:28 pm to
i'm gonna play devil's advocate... if the privates and catholic schools leave, isn't that giving in to what the split principals want? i say don't leave. let them kick you out. being a part of an existing infrastructure in the LHSAA has advantages in certain ways over breaking off into something new over spite
Posted by crazycubes
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:29 pm to
I just don't see the what the big deal is. One league for regular season, then split them up for the playoffs. The public's get their trophy, the selects/privates get theirs. Everyone's a winner and everyone's happy.

What am i missing?

ETA: Is there a money split issue or something? Or, this all this temper-tantrum all to do about a goofy state trophy.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:30 pm to
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They probably will be forced to play with the public schools. As much as we want to call this select vs non-select, the privates can leave, I don't believe the magnets and charters can.


the only thing keeping them from leaving would be their school districts / governing boards from having them leave. There is no state law that says they have to be in the LHSAA... well today at least.

So where does this go from here?

1) Privates and anyone else who wants to breaks off, and we have two associations.

2) BESE gets involved and tries to take over the LHSAA / start their own organization, with a state law requiring schools that receive state dollars to be part of this BESE league.

3) Privates suck it up and stay

4) Something else?
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:30 pm to
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What am i missing?


pulbics get more titles.... for one.... the rest you would have to understand the whole history of how we got here...

Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

i'm gonna play devil's advocate... if the privates and catholic schools leave, isn't that giving in to what the split principals want? i say don't leave. let them kick you out. being a part of an existing infrastructure in the LHSAA has advantages in certain ways over breaking off into something new over spite


Why pay dues which are going to go to 56% of teams who don't want you there? Besides, the privates can take a bunch of sponsorship money which will be fine now that the operating budget will be very low. Plenty of inner city refs will prefer to work private school games too, and the privates know this. They will have top priority over publics in South LA. I can't wait to watch the south LA coaches feud with north LA coaches because they can't find games, stadiums, etc. Be careful what you wish for, rural publics.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:31 pm to
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Any chance that any private schools join the Mississippi private school association?


Maybe some close to the state line, if this is even allowed by that association.

A more interesting idea would be a merger of sorts, a private school association covering both states.
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

I just don't see the what the big deal is. One league for regular season, then split them up for the playoffs. The public's get their trophy, the selects/privates get theirs. Everyone's a winner and everyone's happy.

What am i missing?

privates/Catholic schools are like "you'll play us when we make you money... but don't want to play when the title's on the line? ok we won't play you at all then"
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

2) BESE gets involved and tries to take over the LHSAA / start their own organization, with a state law requiring schools that receive state dollars to be part of this BESE league.


if anything had changed today, i firmly believe this would have been the next step... JBE and his Democrats love government control over everything
Posted by bknight00
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:33 pm to
I'm not a fan of the split, but something has to be done to get things on a level playing field. The problem has never been with 4A or 5A, the problem is with the smaller classes. Since I live on the Northshore I'll use it as an example. Look at district 7-2A in football 4 private schools and 3 public. In the last several years the private schools have dominated the publics in that district. I can't remember the last time a public school won that district. But the glaring difference is this. All 4 private schools sit right in the middle of a 5A attendance zone. All 3 public schools sit way out in the rural counrtyside. Now, current rules permit those private schools to admit whatever student they want regardless of address. But the publics don't have that luxury. Its bad enough the private schools sit right in the middle of a target rich enviroment,but they can also reach into these same rural communities and lure athletes away fronm the publics and there is no repercussion. I dont like the current situation becasue it waters down the playoff competition, but theres has to be a way to make a more level field of play.
Posted by peaster68
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:33 pm to
There are already some Louisiana schools in the MAIS.
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:34 pm to
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if anything had changed today, i firmly believe this would have been the next step... JBE and his Democrats love government control over everything

there was a bill in the state house during the just finished legislative session that was tabled after this meeting was called

I think it'll come back to life during the next regular session
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:35 pm to
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There are already some Louisiana schools in the MAIS.

isn't there 1 on the Northshore? is it Pearl River?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

I just don't see the what the big deal is. One league for regular season, then split them up for the playoffs. The public's get their trophy, the selects/privates get theirs. Everyone's a winner and everyone's happy.

What am i missing?


This is akin to, hey, I'll spend all night with a girl in the bedroom, but I don't want to be seen with her in public.

Nevermind, "everyone's a winner" is not how life works... of course... with all these brackets, it probably will be true.

It's insane that the public school principals want to play with the private schools in the regular season - where the private can schedule games against them, which ensures they get a full schedule (and maybe a healthy gate receipt) but not in the playoffs.

Split for all or split for none. There are pros and cons to both options. This half-stuff is just crazy.
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

I'm not a fan of the split, but something has to be done to get things on a level playing field. The problem has never been with 4A or 5A, the problem is with the smaller classes. Since I live on the Northshore I'll use it as an example. Look at district 7-2A in football 4 private schools and 3 public. In the last several years the private schools have dominated the publics in that district. I can't remember the last time a public school won that district. But the glaring difference is this. All 4 private schools sit right in the middle of a 5A attendance zone. All 3 public schools sit way out in the rural counrtyside. Now, current rules permit those private schools to admit whatever student they want regardless of address. But the publics don't have that luxury. Its bad enough the private schools sit right in the middle of a target rich enviroment,but they can also reach into these same rural communities and lure athletes away fronm the publics and there is no repercussion. I dont like the current situation becasue it waters down the playoff competition, but theres has to be a way to make a more level field of play.



4a and 5a caused this when they sent ECA down to 1a and JC down to 2a in after 2004 season....
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

there was a bill in the state house during the just finished legislative session that was tabled after this meeting was called

I think it'll come back to life during the next regular session



got shot down in vote due to BS crap that got piggy backed in other words.... not a chance
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:38 pm to
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pulbics get more titles.... for one.... the rest you would have to understand the whole history of how we got here...


i know you think you have a point about history here, but there's been so much turnover in principals, and you're going way back in the past... i'm not sure how much vindictiveness, etc. happened in this process

to me it's more like what are politicians gonna do? politic and that's what driving this bus.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:38 pm to
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Maybe some close to the state line, if this is even allowed by that association.


Yes it is allowed. Cenla Christian has been doing it for the past 5 years or so. They are in Alexandria.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

The problem has never been with 4A or 5A, the problem is with the smaller classes.


The problem is Curtis and Evangel/Calvary. Interestingly enough, putting Curtis where they belong, the Catholic League, seems to be working. Sure, they are still good, but they are not obscenely dominating other lesser schools.

quote:

Now, current rules permit those private schools to admit whatever student they want regardless of address. But the publics don't have that luxury.


I know this is not the purview of the LHSAA, and there are certainly other issues involved here, but there is nothing stopping that school district from having open admission to anyone living in the school district.

Private schools are nothing new. The issues you mention have been around for decades. It worked out all right all those years. Sure, improvements could be made... many have been mentioned on this thread. But you don't see the public school principals mentioning those things, do you?
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:41 pm to
RIP Sulphur softball fields.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:43 pm to
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Now, current laws permit those public schools to give free tuition to students. But the privates don't have that luxury.


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