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re: Another LHSAA vote coming Wednesday
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:34 pm to Kracka
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:34 pm to Kracka
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Perfect then you know that using your own example, of a kid trying to get a scholarship. You'd know that if a kid was that good in sports, the school or booster club would find a benefactor who would pay the tuition to keep him/her in the school.
I never said there isn't cases of it. The problem is people want to believe that entire starting 22 at Rummel or the 9 fielders and bullpen at Curtis are on scholarship. It's crazy. Maybe 2-4 of those kids are getting tuition assistance and once again from personal experience, kids who get assistance are required to actually work the money off. That is another huge misconception. I remember watching several starters in high school walking around campus with trash bags, etc., working off their money owed. Was it hard labor? Not usually, but when I talk to people who don't know what they are talking about, I get the impression they think Mr. Monopoly is rolling around in money, throwing it at kids and parents to come to their school.
ETA: I say not always hard work because I've also watched 5 star athletes that the recruiting board routinely wrote about doing ditch digging in the middle of the summer to work off tuition. It isn't all roses. Schools need to pay their bills too.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 3:38 pm
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:36 pm to Kracka
Privates do have an advantage of controlling their school size/class as well. Other than Catholic League in New Orleans most Privates are 1A/2A. That being said Winning Tradtion recruits itself. Coaches at John Curtis/Notre Dame/ECA are not out knocking on doors begging kids to come to their school, athletes looking to play better competition and having chance to win seek these schools out. Now if their parents can legally get them into these schools WITHOUT any tuition assistance and legally show that they really moved into their zone then it should be ok. That goes back to my idea abt outside investigation to police these issues.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:38 pm to GhostofJackson
I never said anything about all that. we are talking about individual cases. I know of a few that involved guys I went to school with, guys that went to my school before me. I wish I was interested in this stuff while I was in high school. I can remember my dad going to the meetings. I did talk to him about the split a few weeks ago, and he said they were fighting the split back in the 90's when he was serving on the executive committee.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:41 pm to GGShin
To be fair, I almost want the privates to leave so the publics can see what they are about to have on their hands in South LA. Take out the privates, fine. The charter boom that is hitting South LA will immediately fill any void the privates held in small schools. It will be the same issues, same complaints etc. What will happen then? Public schools will cannibalize themselves in that situation.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:45 pm to Kracka
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Another LHSAA vote coming Wednesday
I never said anything about all that. we are talking about individual cases. I know of a few that involved guys I went to school with, guys that went to my school before me. I wish I was interested in this stuff while I was in high school. I can remember my dad going to the meetings. I did talk to him about the split a few weeks ago, and he said they were fighting the split back in the 90's when he was serving on the executive committee.
Then I think we agree, but I still don't see anything wrong with kids paying their own tuition. It's almost even silly to call it financial aid, but if you are going to give a kid a break, he needs to earn it. I also watched a kid a few years back (who was a major D1 prospect and went out west to the PAC 12) stop by private school and asked to not have to pay tuition. He was sent on his way and the kid finished his HS years at his local public school. Worked out for him either way I guess.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:45 pm to GhostofJackson
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Public schools will cannibalize themselves in that situation.
The more charter schools are allowed to govern themselves, and succeed, the less weight the publics will carry. The public school system in this state is going to suffer and yes likely collapse and eat itself. I am all for that.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:41 am to Kracka
Vote abt to go down shortly. Let's hope they get it right. Bonine may be gone if fails again. Summer convention next month should be interesting.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:48 am to GGShin
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Vote abt to go down shortly. Let's hope they get it right. Bonine may be gone if fails again. Summer convention next month should be interesting.
not until 11... kemosabe...
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:02 am to GGShin
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Bonine may be gone if fails again.
I don't see how they could get rid of him. He's done as much as he can to save the association thus far. The vote is on the principals not him.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:03 am to Kracka
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Another LHSAA vote coming Wednesday
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Bonine may be gone if fails again.
I don't see how they could get rid of him. He's done as much as he can to save the association thus far. The vote is on the principals not him.
other entities are pursuing him..... he would leave on his own accord
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:09 am to choupiquesushi
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other entities are pursuing him..... he would leave on his own accord
Yeah that's the only way I could see him being gone is him leaving. Who would want to run that shite show if the split stays.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:21 am to Kracka
Im sorry but does anybody else find it truly disheartening that these principals cannot see or do not care what they are about to do?
I have said it mutliple times, I am under 22 years of age, and as someone that recently competed at the high school level, I would be furious if these people let this happen. Kids just want to play sports.
What I cannot grasp, is how even faced or told if you continue down this path, you may not have a high school association left to govern, anyone with any sense would still vote yes.
I have said it mutliple times, I am under 22 years of age, and as someone that recently competed at the high school level, I would be furious if these people let this happen. Kids just want to play sports.
What I cannot grasp, is how even faced or told if you continue down this path, you may not have a high school association left to govern, anyone with any sense would still vote yes.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:29 am to CoastTrashTiger
quote:in those principals' view, the LHSAA should be filled with 200 Winnfields as they believe that's true high school football...
What I cannot grasp, is how even faced or told if you continue down this path, you may not have a high school association left to govern, anyone with any sense would still vote yes.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:30 am to CoastTrashTiger
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Im sorry but does anybody else find it truly disheartening that these principals cannot see or do not care what they are about to do?
They are blind. They just want hand out championships.
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you may not have a high school association left to govern, anyone with any sense would still vote yes
They simply don't care. But maybe this is what's needed to blow up the whole system, start over. If they get their split, they will be bitching because they won't get the sponsorship money that one championship system would provide.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:47 am to choupiquesushi
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plenty kids lie about where they live - even cross parish lines... and play at publics....
To be honest, here in Greater New Orleans, it happens for academics as well. I'm sure there are more than a few false addresses in the school directories at Lusher,and Ben Franklin. I think NOCCA now takes kids from other parishes, but there was a time when they didn't either, and people lied about addresses.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:48 am to tlabat
Haven't followed the meetings much but 5A football needs to get back together.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:50 am to GhostofJackson
Ghost,
you are a breath of fresh-air in this discussion.
you are a breath of fresh-air in this discussion.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:06 pm to GhostofJackson
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also watched a kid a few years back (who was a major D1 prospect and went out west to the PAC 12) stop by private school and asked to not have to pay tuition. He was sent on his way and the kid finished his HS years at his local public school.
Good for that school.
I've seen it work the other way. Football player is not charged tuition by private school for 7 semesters. Spring semester of senior year (after football season is done) kid's dad is sent a bill for spring tuition.
Dad threatened to call the news media about it, so the school cancelled the bill. This was about 15 years ago, maybe it's better today.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:11 pm to RedPop4
Anyone following along on the advocate about the meeting?
Basically, multiple principals think the meeting should have waited until January, that's how little they care about it. Also, several members of the exec committee just sold out Bonine on having the meeting, saying it was his idea, not theirs.
The whole reason this meeting is being held today, and not in January, is:
1) to immediately fix the obvious scheduling conflicts
2) to try to placate the state legislature
3) to try to keep the privates from leaving.
It's pretty obvious now that nothing will change, and by having the vote today, at least the private schools can start making their own plans. If it was held up until Jan to meet, they probably would have left before then.
Basically, multiple principals think the meeting should have waited until January, that's how little they care about it. Also, several members of the exec committee just sold out Bonine on having the meeting, saying it was his idea, not theirs.
The whole reason this meeting is being held today, and not in January, is:
1) to immediately fix the obvious scheduling conflicts
2) to try to placate the state legislature
3) to try to keep the privates from leaving.
It's pretty obvious now that nothing will change, and by having the vote today, at least the private schools can start making their own plans. If it was held up until Jan to meet, they probably would have left before then.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
The meeting sounds like a dumpster fire right now. Nobody is sure what is going on.
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