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re: Annual Official LA HS Baseball Season-long Thread
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:09 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:09 pm to lsupride87
quote:
New topic question I have always wondered and you may have insight
Like I said earlier Barbe to me is the best national baseball program over the last 25 years
However, I can’t really remember a ton of big time college or MLB success. I can think of tons of lsu stars from Catholic and tons of MLB perennial players as well
there have been a lot of guys that have went to LSU and 5 that made it to mlb
wade leblanc
both Glen's boys
prince
lawerence
but barbe does well because glen gets a ton out of the talent he does have, they play the game right and alot of these kids are pretty maxed in hs. But thye have had a lot of success with more mid major teams like ULL. Kyle Debarge is perfect example of that
and yea barbe has usually had good pitching but hasnt had overall dominant pitching until the last 5 years or so when you had walker, guidry, victorian etc. they rely a lot on guys that are mid 80s and just bad arse pitchers who hit their spots with lots of movement. few exceptions of course
but overall you usually see 5 or so guys in each class going to play college ball and yea many are D1 but most arent high level d1 guys.
eta: forgot about OG joe L when he played for the Blue jays
oh and to add....yall realize the whole lake charles metro is 200k or less right? that supports Barbe, Sam Houston, Sulphur, South Beau, St Louis, Westlake, Iowa all having good programs, not to mention all the other schools. yea 5 might not seem like a lot but per capita it is.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:11 pm to MikeHoncho47
Nola brothers, Josh smith, Kurt ainsworth, David Delucchi
That’s all stars and such
If you want to do lsu you have Nola bros, smith, sciambra, ainsworth, Cooga , Lanier, detterman
There are more but the above is bonafide stars/starters. You would think Barbe would dominate this but they just don’t considering how much greater their high school team success is
The only lsu stud I can think of for Barbe is Cooley off the top of my head
ETA: when you go through the studs Catholic baseball and Catholic football had in the 90s I think there is an argument they are one of the worst coaches high school programs in the nation during that time
That’s all stars and such
If you want to do lsu you have Nola bros, smith, sciambra, ainsworth, Cooga , Lanier, detterman
There are more but the above is bonafide stars/starters. You would think Barbe would dominate this but they just don’t considering how much greater their high school team success is
The only lsu stud I can think of for Barbe is Cooley off the top of my head
ETA: when you go through the studs Catholic baseball and Catholic football had in the 90s I think there is an argument they are one of the worst coaches high school programs in the nation during that time
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:22 pm to lsupride87
quote:. Considering that 8 of 10 baseball titles in 90s and 10 of 10 football titles were won by public schools great teams win titles not necessarily great players.
ETA: when you go through the studs Catholic baseball and Catholic football had in the 90s I think there is an argument they are one of the worst coaches high school programs in the nation during that time
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:30 pm to choupiquesushi
Great players with good coaches absolutely dominate though. Catholic in the 90s was a factory of talent being strangled by tenured coaches.
It isn’t a cowinky dink they started cleaning up when those coaches left
It isn’t a cowinky dink they started cleaning up when those coaches left
Posted on 4/18/24 at 2:15 pm to lsupride87
Rummel same coaches - more success post split
Posted on 4/18/24 at 2:39 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
egative - since the split except for last year one could say the path did get easier only needing 3 wins in post season instead of 5. And it’s not 100% my opine but what I hear talked about by coaches as well. Yes Catholic from this decade is a different animal than before. Time will tell as sustaining that is very difficult.
Your argument is a failed personal opinion. The facts are what they are
Catholic didn’t want the split
Catholic decided to put resources from coaching, infrastructure to outreach in selling the school both in the Catholic system and the area
Catholic has been the best program in the state over the past decade
Catholic has been willing to play anyone..anywhere
So yes …Catholic benefitted from the split because it pissed off enough people to put the program in overdrive
People bitched, rightfully so, how the split was bad for the state and they’re right, it just so happens it was worse for the bitches that voted for it and continue voting for it today
This has never been more obvious than watching them continue to push out more teams to Select
Posted on 4/18/24 at 2:50 pm to lsu777
Not to drag it back but didn't Gavin Guidry (Brother) originate in Sulphur and currently Jordan Griffins brother attended LCCP. To go with Littleton "showing up". To your point that players from all these other local teams would start at Barbe, I don't find that to be accurate. Duhon at South Beau obviously would be in rotation don't think he hits at all. Maybe 1 kid at St. Louis. Iowa and Westlake, No. Sulphur down year for them in terms of talent graduated great class this past year. Now Sam Houston might be able beat some of Barbes starters out but fully healthy I believe it wouldn't be more than 2 or 3 out of 9 and pitchers.
I do believe for the most part Barbe has built this program up that it recruits itself but doesn't mean the kids aren't leaving other local middle schools to go to SJ Welsh or have conversations during Knights baseball summer ball with players.
The SLC little league has been very impressive in the past, but that has started to fade with Lafayette and New Orleans team that won world championship recently
I do believe for the most part Barbe has built this program up that it recruits itself but doesn't mean the kids aren't leaving other local middle schools to go to SJ Welsh or have conversations during Knights baseball summer ball with players.
The SLC little league has been very impressive in the past, but that has started to fade with Lafayette and New Orleans team that won world championship recently
Posted on 4/18/24 at 2:52 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:Rummel has 2 state title since the split
Rummel same coaches - more success post split
They also had 1 state title the last year with the publics, so they really didn’t improve or do better. They have been worse the last few years than before
They also don’t have the same coaches
So wrong on all accounts
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:02 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:Let me just bury you so you can run along
choupiquesushi
Since the split Catholic is 56-6 against Public schools in 5a
They are 8-1 against 7 time 5A champs Zachary and Acadiana
The public schools no longer can compete. They voted themselves into inferiority. I feel bad for teams with testicles like Zachary who constantly vote against the split
It’s funny that Zachary and Acadiana(select now) were the teams constantly voting against the split were the teams that have owned 5a.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:17 pm to H2A2
quote:
Not to drag it back but didn't Gavin Guidry (Brother) originate in Sulphur
they moved to LC in middle school
quote:
currently Jordan Griffins brother attended LCCP
where at sj welsh and left to go to the prep school. brother was at barbe and transferred to the prep school
quote:
To go with Littleton "showing up"
again whole family moved to LC from sulphur
quote:
To your point that players from all these other local teams would start at Barbe, I don't find that to be accurate. Duhon at South Beau obviously would be in rotation don't think he hits at all
martin kid at westlake would start and the freshman at westlake wouldnt start but would next year
multiple kids at sam houston and sulphur would start
st louis had 3 that would have started at barbe the last couple years. they have 2 that would start at barbe right now
quote:hasnt been any knights teams in the LC area for couple years and champion doesnt even put out good teams at all. you are half a decade behind
Knights baseball summer ball with players.
and of course kids that are going to go to barbe transfer to sj. well they used to, with new rules doesnt matter as there are no more feeder schools. just sit out freshman year and be elgible.
quote:
The SLC little league has been very impressive in the past, but that has started to fade with Lafayette and New Orleans team that won world championship recently
slcll hasnt been relevant for years and hasnt had anything past 12u for years upon years. its the travel teams that feed the beast but there is no feeder team anymore. closest thing would be Luccini i guess but even then, they are taking best kids most of the time, atleast until 13u.
FTR i never said people dont move to the barbe district to play, i said the coaches arent out there calling parents saying...you should come here or anything of the sort.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:20 pm to lsu777
quote:Hmm. Weird. This popped up on my feed today
hasnt been any knights teams in the LC area for couple years and champion doesnt even put out good teams at all. you are half a decade behind
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:44 pm to lsupride87
yea they had 2 commit to BPCC
as far as knights its because Barbe was part of that org until this past year for hs teams
as far as knights its because Barbe was part of that org until this past year for hs teams
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:49 pm to lsu777
quote:
FTR i never said people dont move to the barbe district to play, i said the coaches arent out there calling parents saying...you should come here or anything of the sort.
You say this like it’s fact but the truth is, there is zero way you know this to be the truth unless you’re actually on barbe’s staff. If you don’t think they’re at least somewhat active on the recruiting trail, you’re fooling yourself.
I’m not saying that barbe is the only school to do this, I know for a fact that at least two Catholic/private schools in the Nola area actively recruit kids from other areas in middle school.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:53 pm to TheRouxGuru
That guy is taking this stuff way too personal
They all do it in some sort of fashion. They’re either bending the rules a little bit or straight up ignoring them, but they all ‘recruit’ in some way
Barbe does it. WM does it. Zachary does it. Catholic (BR) does it. Curtis does it. Most of the Catholic schools in NOLA do it, etc…
They all do it in some sort of fashion. They’re either bending the rules a little bit or straight up ignoring them, but they all ‘recruit’ in some way
Barbe does it. WM does it. Zachary does it. Catholic (BR) does it. Curtis does it. Most of the Catholic schools in NOLA do it, etc…
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 6:00 pm to lsu777
Neville up on Hahnville 6-3 bottom 7th
Posted on 4/18/24 at 6:30 pm to Robcrzy
Neville upsets Hahnville in game 1
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:03 pm to Robcrzy
0-0 after three innings in Chalmette
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:12 pm to lsu777
So just by your math, saying that at least 5/7 kids would start over Barbes kids, I just don't see it... Corrales, Alexander, Courville, Griffin, Galt, Littleton, Bellard, and Ledoux are head and shoulders above just about everyone in the area minus Duhon. Just my opinion. Kid from St. Louis is good. Maybe 1 Sulphur, 2 Sam Houston. Washington and Guidry would compete with others, maybe not start debatable, though. Martin at westlake has the bat but has struggled sometimes in the field and not enough pitching to beat out the others.
Sulphur kids moving to SJ Welsh is a thing don't want to pretend it's not. Not saying other teams in other areas don't have the same issue, but feel like your are acting like that doesn't happen at Barbe.
Not trying to argue because it's all just opinions, I believe Barbe would be best team in the state with out the players "transferring" in most years and think they will win state again this season. Neverending conversation I believe everyone pointing fingers. I don't believe Glen or Barbe baseball is scared to play any team in the country.
Sulphur kids moving to SJ Welsh is a thing don't want to pretend it's not. Not saying other teams in other areas don't have the same issue, but feel like your are acting like that doesn't happen at Barbe.
Not trying to argue because it's all just opinions, I believe Barbe would be best team in the state with out the players "transferring" in most years and think they will win state again this season. Neverending conversation I believe everyone pointing fingers. I don't believe Glen or Barbe baseball is scared to play any team in the country.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:16 pm to lsupride87
Bro stop let it play out.
You said they arse splatted 5 a champs
THEY DID NOT!
Who has had to give back more trophies since the split?
What is their all time record vs
Ruston, wm, Neville and Acadiana?
Statewide perception catholic benefited from split - get over it.
Jesuit hadn’t won a title since integration but got one after the split…
Let it play out -
And dude you are reaching with that record considering how abysmal some of those public teams you are counting….
That’s like me claiming a catholic league win vs de La salle??
You said they arse splatted 5 a champs
THEY DID NOT!
Who has had to give back more trophies since the split?
What is their all time record vs
Ruston, wm, Neville and Acadiana?
Statewide perception catholic benefited from split - get over it.
Jesuit hadn’t won a title since integration but got one after the split…
Let it play out -
And dude you are reaching with that record considering how abysmal some of those public teams you are counting….
That’s like me claiming a catholic league win vs de La salle??
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 7:18 pm
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