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re: Ahmad Brooks fined $16k
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:42 pm to EarthwormJim
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:42 pm to EarthwormJim
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Hits to the neck and head of a QB are called penalties because they can not defend themselves in that position.
Nobody is disputing that but that isn't what logical people are discussing or upset about. Hits to the chest are legal and, as such, the call was blown.
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:45 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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It was definitely a foul and will be a foul for the rest of eternity. You might as well get used to it. The law suits of the former players has ensured it will never change back to your liking.
It has been illegal for 33 years.
Not sure why the fuss all of a sudden.
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:48 pm to wilceaux
I love how the defenders have changed their argument. Go back to Sunday on Saints Talk, originally they all claimed the initial hit was to the neck and that was why it was a penalty. Now that it's been proven otherwise repeatedly they have changed it to "well his arm touched his chin on the way down!"
I hope for nothing more than the Saints getting knocked out of the playoffs on a terrible call like this one and watching the meltdown and hypocrisy rain down upon us all.
I hope for nothing more than the Saints getting knocked out of the playoffs on a terrible call like this one and watching the meltdown and hypocrisy rain down upon us all.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:49 pm to wilceaux
People who are OK with the fine, why doesn't ?the NFL fine somebody anytime a face mask or horse collar tackle is made. There needs to be consistency
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:52 pm to RandySavage
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RandySavage
I always assumed you just bugged the shite out of the Soccer Board.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:53 pm to DestrehanTiger
Nah wherever uncontrollable tardness is occurring I show up and try to help.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:53 pm to QJenk
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There needs to be consistency
There is. ANYTHING that can remotely help the NFL image in regards to recent litigation is always trampled with a hobnailed boot......
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:56 pm to RandySavage
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I love how the defenders have changed their argument. Go back to Sunday on Saints Talk, originally they all claimed the initial hit was to the neck and that was why it was a penalty. Now that it's been proven otherwise repeatedly they have changed it to "well his arm touched his chin on the way down!"
I also remember there being a ton of threads about how they should show the whole takedown instead of the initial hit. Most knew that the reason for the penalty was for stretching Drew's neck a few inches and busting up his mouth.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:58 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
This moron and his ilk are responsible for trying to ruin a once great game.
"The simple truth is that football can never be made safe. Even if the essential “kill” mentality were changed, football can never be made safe. And it has never been more dangerous than it is now, thanks to a combination of there being larger, quicker, more lethal people delivering the blows and the lingering mentality brought to the game by coaches and players who cannot or will not change.
Football has an enormous appeal to many people who are borderline psychopaths in a manner that no other sport — and this includes the very virile sport of hockey — does not."
I come to you as an enabler, and I suspect there are many more out there like me. We are essentially troubled by the casual acceptance our society has of a sport that really and truly maims people. That football is America’s current sport of choice reflects poorly on us as a people.
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"The simple truth is that football can never be made safe. Even if the essential “kill” mentality were changed, football can never be made safe. And it has never been more dangerous than it is now, thanks to a combination of there being larger, quicker, more lethal people delivering the blows and the lingering mentality brought to the game by coaches and players who cannot or will not change.
Football has an enormous appeal to many people who are borderline psychopaths in a manner that no other sport — and this includes the very virile sport of hockey — does not."
I come to you as an enabler, and I suspect there are many more out there like me. We are essentially troubled by the casual acceptance our society has of a sport that really and truly maims people. That football is America’s current sport of choice reflects poorly on us as a people.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 11/20/13 at 4:01 pm to RandySavage
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. Now that it's been proven otherwise repeatedly they have changed it to "well his arm touched his chin on the way down!"
What have you been looking at. The bicep hits his neck on the initial hit and contact to the neck happens the entire way down.
Also, the NFL has already said it doesn't matter where the initial contact happens
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 11/20/13 at 4:05 pm to RandySavage
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I love how the defenders have changed their argument. Go back to Sunday on Saints Talk, originally they all claimed the initial hit was to the neck and that was why it was a penalty. Now that it's been proven otherwise repeatedly they have changed it to "well his arm touched his chin on the way down!"
I hope for nothing more than the Saints getting knocked out of the playoffs on a terrible call like this one and watching the meltdown and hypocrisy rain down upon us all.
Are you really this stupid? Seriously?
It was the continuation of taking Brees down by the neck and then adding some chin action that sealed the deal on the flag being thrown. The initial hit may have drawn a flag, but probably not. It was the rest of the play that guaranteed a flag.
By the rules, the hit to the neck, regardless of intent or where the contact began, is a 15 yard penalty. However, they probably don't call it if Brooks stops trying to remove Brees' head from his body!
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 11/20/13 at 4:13 pm to RandySavage
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RandySavage
Attached, please find two specific rule citations clearly indicating the ilegal nature of that hit.
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Article 8 There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:
(h) any player who grabs a helmet opening of an opponent and forcibly twists, turns, or pulls his head.
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ROUGHING THE PASSER
Article 13 Because the act of passing often puts the quarterback (or any other player attempting a pass) in a position where he is particularly vulnerable to injury, special rules against roughing the passer apply. The Referee has principal responsibility for enforcing these rules. Any physical acts against passers during or just after a pass which, in the Referee’s judgment, are unwarranted by the circumstances of the play will be called as fouls. The Referee will be guided by the following principles:
HITS TO PASSER’S HEAD AND USE OF HELMET AND FACEMASK
(3)?? In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defendersimpermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary-roughness rules covering these subjects).
I have highlighted 2 rules that indicate that this was absolutely a foul.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 4:30 pm to QJenk
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People who are OK with the fine, why doesn't ?the NFL fine somebody anytime a face mask or horse collar tackle is made. There needs to be consistency
In 2011:
Horse Collar Tackle: $15,000 / $30,000
Face Mask: $7,500 / $15,000
It's probably similar to 2013 if not more strict. Players are fined every week. We just never hear about it.
2011 NFL Fine Schedule
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:16 pm to AngryBeavers
I will never understand why fans get upset over fines.
1. It's not your money.
2. That aspect doesn't affect any game.
3.It's seriously a drop in the bucket for these players.
4. The money to goes to charity, I believe.
There's really no reason to care.
1. It's not your money.
2. That aspect doesn't affect any game.
3.It's seriously a drop in the bucket for these players.
4. The money to goes to charity, I believe.
There's really no reason to care.
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:18 pm to Funky Tide 8
Good call on the penalty.
Bad call on the fine.
Bad call on the fine.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:22 pm to RedElephants
This replay of Brookes hit on Brees last weekend looks much more aggressive in this gif.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:25 pm to Nonetheless
Good
ThugPOS
ThugPOS
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:35 pm to Hoodoo Man
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I will never understand why fans get upset over fines.
1. It's not your money.
2. That aspect doesn't affect any game.
3.It's seriously a drop in the bucket for these players.
4. The money to goes to charity, I believe.
There's really no reason to care.
Because i enjoy big hits and defense
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:40 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Attached, please find two specific rule citations clearly indicating the ilegal nature of that hit.
Well he didn't grab the helmet opening and twist, turn, or pull or "hit the passer forcibly in the neck area" so I don't see how either of those are relevant.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:46 pm to RandySavage
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On Tuesday, NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said the officials in Sunday's game got the call right."You can't make forcible contact to the head or the neck area, even if the contact starts below the neck and rises up,"
I don't know how this can be any clearer.
As far as a fine I don't think it was malicious. But if a guy gets a 20k dollar fine for shoving a player on the sideline, I can easily see how this play got a fine as well.
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