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re: AD's MVP run since the Boogie Injury
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:25 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:25 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Is there another team in the league that has a perennial MVP candidate that struggles not just to make the playoffs, but have a winning record year after year?
His head coach, by the numbers-
14 seasons
5 different teams
1 season with 41 wins or more
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:31 pm to TigerintheNO
Classic blame the coach game. You overrated the players so if things don’t go your way blame the coach. Nba is a players league. If Davis is not gettimg touches at games end that is on him. If he had the requisite respect from His teammates and coaching staff there would be no doubt who was getting that ball when the game mattered.
Maybe he is fine w letting holiday take the last shot instead of him. Ie Maybe he don’t have that dog in him.
Maybe he is fine w letting holiday take the last shot instead of him. Ie Maybe he don’t have that dog in him.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:44 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:There's the Panda!!!
They won’t make the playoffs. they are the worst of the 10 teams that have playoff chances.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:47 pm to shel311
you know I am a betting man what you got In mind.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:50 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Hill is one of the worse players in the league who gets consistent PT. Gerald green would be a big upgrade.
He is absolutely horrid offensively outside of corner 3s, but he's a plus defender.
What does Pelicans need, a wing defender.
We're using Holiday to guard 3s because we're horrible defensively anywhere else.
quote:
Classic blame the coach game. You overrated the players so if things don’t go your way blame the coach. Nba is a players league. If Davis is not gettimg touches at games end that is on him. If he had the requisite respect from His teammates and coaching staff there would be no doubt who was getting that ball when the game mattered.
Maybe he is fine w letting holiday take the last shot instead of him. Ie Maybe he don’t have that dog in him.
Monty got a 40+ win team with a far worse roster and was heavily injured that year too. He isn't a great coach, but he's far better than Gentry when it comes to making lemonade from lemons.
Gentry is a bad coach and it doesn't take a genius to realize that. Watch his plays coming out of timeouts and in-game management, it is ATROCIOUS.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:53 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
One thing the Pels have to figure out is AD can be very dominant yet it doesn’t seem to translate into wins. Over that stretch where AD is averaging 32 pts and 12 rebounds, they are 4-5.
Even previous seasons where AD had been in MVP conversations, they still couldn’t win.
Is there another team in the league that has a perennial MVP candidate that struggles not just to make the playoffs, but have a winning record year after year?
I’m not trying to be a dick, it’s an honest question. My theory had always been that its the nature of his position that makes it difficult for him to close out games. Ball-handlers have much more overall control of the offense, but AD has to rely on others to get him the ball. But I don’t know...
Its the nature of the position
Blake Griffin
LMA
Anthony Davis
Kevin Love
DeMarcus Cousins
etc...
All were on relatively woeful rosters with meh coaches. All of them were great and efficient, yet couldn't get the wins. Paired them with a decent team/supporting and all of a sudden they started winning more.
If you're comparing players side-by-side, AD is one of the best, easily. But this era and reality is you need a wing or a guard to generate those kind of wins.
Pelicans have had bottom 10 starting SFs in Dell Demps tenure, that is on him devaluing it and its biting us in the arse constantly. Ariza was his most complete one and that's been like 8 years.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:54 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:The idea behind the question still stands. AD is a borderline top 5 player. How many guys in the top 6-7 have played 6+ years with no playoff wins and only 1 appearance as an 8th seed?
Davis has never been a perennial MVP candidate. Always in the discussion from time to time but never a serious threat at years end, and that's mainly due to the constant state of injury our team has.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:56 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:You won't hear me praising his coaches, but the best of the best have always overcome shitty coaches to be on at least somewhat competitive teams.
His head coach, by the numbers-
14 seasons
5 different teams
1 season with 41 wins or more
AD is running out of time and team improvement needs to be seen at some point soon before we can start questioning if he's as good as the numbers suggest.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:56 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Pretty sure you've ranked him 6 or 7 this season, so you've rated him around where everyone does.
Classic blame the coach game. You overrated the players so if things don’t go your way blame the coach.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:59 pm to shel311
am hard on him bc he has the tools to be better. He don’t have the mentality of a top 5 player.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:08 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
am hard on him bc he has the tools to be better. He don’t have the mentality of a top 5 player.
Let me ask you, what does he need to be better?
Win Shares?
Offensively 6th
Defensively 10th
Overall 4th
WS/48 5th
PER? 3rd
Statistically: 27.4 PPG, 10.7 RPG, 2.4 APG, 2.1 BPG, 1.3 SPG, 2.1 TOV
Shooting: 54.1/36.7/82.0
What more? More shots? When he steps off the floor, the defense goes from 107.0 rating to 114.8. Literally would be going from the 9th ranked defense to 30th ranked defense when he doesn't play.
There's 4 other guys on the court with you and 7 other guys that usually play the same night as you. Not everyone can turn someone like Mo Williams into an all-star.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:09 pm to htran90
Win games bro. Win games. his career record w-l is a joke. The best players in the league win big every year.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:13 pm to Boomshockalocka
It's easy to win games when all you have to do is run full speed in the paint and flail your arms to get 12 free throws a game
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:14 pm to htran90
quote:Win.
Let me ask you, what does he need to be better?
The NBA is a sport where top 5 ish players win. They don't have to win titles, but they are certainly more competitive than what NOP has been since AD has arrived.
Lots of players put up great numbers on bad teams. Obvious AD is better but Kevin Love was once 26/13 pretty efficiently with 27 PER...he was never THAT good. If AD's teams don't start realizing more team success soon, it's a fair question to wonder if he's just another, much better version of Kevin Love.
Basketball just isn't a game that sees players as good as AD(if he's truly as good as the numbers) not sustain more winning, it just doesn't happen.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:16 pm to Bigpoppat
James could score 15 points a game and still have more of a impact on wins than Davis. James is an ELITE playmaker. He makes his teammates better. Davis has to have someone like James get him the ball in spots where he can score bc he is not able to do it on his own.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:18 pm to whatiknowsofar
So, the same AD from the previous years?
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:18 pm to BigDawg0420
quote:LeBron Curry Russell and Harden
It'd be tough to name 3 more dominant players in the league at the moment
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:21 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
am hard on him bc he has the tools to be better. He don’t have the mentality of a top 5 player
He’s Kevin Garnett without the dawg
The coaches he’s had are partially to blame, though. They have babied him and never ride him to be better
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:26 pm to GynoSandberg
Yep the lack of organizational / winning culture is problem #1. no mentors in the building to show him the way.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:37 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
Hill is one of the worse players in the league who gets consistent PT. Gerald green would be a big upgrade.
I try to give you grace in spite of yourself and comments like this make it real hard Boom.
Trust me I’m not up in here saying Solo is a rockstar because he’s not. But just because Gerald Green has a streaky shooting game or makes a highlight reel dunk every once in a while doesn’t make him even a passable starting SF.
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