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re: AAC Commissioner: BCS was fairer system than what we have now

Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:15 pm to
10 conferences of 10 teams. Each team plays a 10 game schedule. 9 conference games and 1 OOC game. Every conference would have a round robin schedule. No championship games, the best regular season conference record wins the conference.

10 autobids, 6 at large bids. 16 team playoff. First two rounds hosted on higher seed's campus, final four and championship game sites can be rotated just like they are now.

I know people would hate to see the MAC champion in the CFP because they'd get blown out, but conference champions get blown out in FCS playoffs and March Madness every year. At least they get a chance to settle it on the field.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:21 pm to
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I think we all need to accept the fact that no one will ever be truly happy with the way we select a national champion. The only way to make it "fair" is to completely blow up the system and remake it in an image that looks more like the NFL division/playoff system.


You can never have complete fairness like the NFL because of the draft vs. the college recruiting system.

The draft system creates equity. Kansas City wins the Super Bowl, so KC drafts last. You can't replicate that kind of "fairness" in college. It's what helps maintain parity among the eight divisions.

If you can't have parity among the five Power 5 conferences, then each of the 5 shouldn't get an automatic playoff bid.

Those who would say include the champions of the power 5 conferences assume that the Pac-12 is a superior league than any of the Group of 5, and right now, top to bottom, I don't believe the Pac 12 is superior to the American.

Cincinnati
Tulsa
Memphis
UCF
SMU
Houston

All pretty good teams and would, I think, finish above most of the teams in the Pac-12, where there are some really bad football teams this year.

USC might not finish in the top 4 in the SEC or ACC. Why give them an automatic bid?
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:26 pm to
The whole purpose of a committee is to screw Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina, and anyone else not a member in good standing of the Good Ole Boys Club, Inc.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:30 pm to
I agree. Just use the BCS to pick the top 4 teams and play it out. Or go to 8. Anything beyond that is absurd.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:35 pm to
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10 conferences of 10 teams. Each team plays a 10 game schedule. 9 conference games and 1 OOC game. Every conference would have a round robin schedule. No championship games, the best regular season conference record wins the conference.

10 autobids, 6 at large bids. 16 team playoff. First two rounds hosted on higher seed's campus, final four and championship game sites can be rotated just like they are now.

I know people would hate to see the MAC champion in the CFP because they'd get blown out, but conference champions get blown out in FCS playoffs and March Madness every year. At least they get a chance to settle it on the field.


First of all, that's only 100 teams. What are you going to do with the other 28 teams?

Then, only 10 regular-season games? So you think everyone is going to voluntarily give up the lost revenue of cutting their schedules by 17%? You think it would be a good idea for Alabama and LSU and Georgia and Florida to willingly forfeit, say, $5,000,000 in revenue from ticket sales from games you want to cut?

How about the non-profits who earn needed funds by selling concessions at those games? Is it a good idea for their funds to be cut?

So it would be a good idea for the communities and the businesses of Athens and Tuscaloosa and Knoxville to give up the revenue from 100,000 consumers on those two dates?

It would be a good idea for Kent State to willingly give up the $1,000,000 from their budget for a game in Tuscaloosa?

It be a good idea to have to sit through first round games with Alabama and Clemson and Ohio State blowing out Louisiana and Coastal Carolina and Tulsa by 5 touchdowns?

There's literally nothing about your idea that's good.

This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted by Muahahaha
Ohio
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:36 pm to
Playoff needs to be 8-teams. Anything past 8 is too watered down. No system is perfect, but 8 would help deter the what ifs.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:40 pm to
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First of all, that's only 100 teams. What are you going to do with the other 28 teams?


Drop them down. There are too many team in FBS as it is.

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Then, only 10 regular-season games? So you think everyone is going to voluntarily give up the lost revenue of cutting their schedules by 17%? You think it would be a good idea for Alabama and LSU and Georgia and Florida to willingly forfeit, say, $5,000,000 in revenue from ticket sales from games you want to cut?

How about the non-profits who earn needed funds by selling concessions at those games? Is it a good idea for their funds to be cut?

So it would be a good idea for the communities and the businesses of Athens and Tuscaloosa and Knoxville to give up the revenue from 100,000 consumers on those two dates?


I'm thinking solely in terms of scheduling uniformity.

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It would be a good idea for Kent State to willingly give up the $1,000,000 from their budget for a game in Tuscaloosa?


If you need other programs to subsidize you, it is time to drop football or move down where the expenses are less. I've thought for a very long time that Kent State and Akron specifically need to drop to FCS.

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It be a good idea to have to sit through first round games with Alabama and Clemson and Ohio State blowing out Louisiana and Coastal Carolina and Tulsa by 5 touchdowns?


Again, it gives every single team in FBS a chance to settle it on the field.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:40 pm to
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Playoff needs to be 8-teams. Anything past 8 is too watered down. No system is perfect, but 8 would help deter the what ifs.



Even with 8, unless you're willing to put 3-4 SEC teams in, for example, you're going to have to sit through Alabama or Clemson vs. Northwestern or Iowa in the first round. You don't think that's watered down? Those would be 35 point wins.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:46 pm to
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First of all, that's only 100 teams. What are you going to do with the other 28 teams?


Drop them down. There are too many team in FBS as it is.


And what gives you, or anyone else, the right to do that?


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I'm thinking solely in terms of scheduling uniformity.



So again, you think it's a good idea for those teams and communities to forfeit millions of dollars.



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I've thought for a very long time that Kent State and Akron specifically need to drop to FCS.
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Again, it gives every single team in FBS a chance to settle it on the field.



Make up your mind. Do you want to give them the opportunity to settle it on the field, or do you want to take away their opportunities?

Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28456 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:47 pm to
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First of all, that's only 100 teams. What are you going to do with the other 28 teams?


Drop them down. There are too many team in FBS as it is.


And what gives you, or anyone else, the right to do that?


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Then, only 10 regular-season games? So you think everyone is going to voluntarily give up the lost revenue of cutting their schedules by 17%? You think it would be a good idea for Alabama and LSU and Georgia and Florida to willingly forfeit, say, $5,000,000 in revenue from ticket sales from games you want to cut?

How about the non-profits who earn needed funds by selling concessions at those games? Is it a good idea for their funds to be cut?

So it would be a good idea for the communities and the businesses of Athens and Tuscaloosa and Knoxville to give up the revenue from 100,000 consumers on those two dates?


I'm thinking solely in terms of scheduling uniformity.



So again, you think it's a good idea for those teams and communities to forfeit millions of dollars.



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I've thought for a very long time that Kent State and Akron specifically need to drop to FCS.
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Again, it gives every single team in FBS a chance to settle it on the field.



Make up your mind. Do you want to give them the opportunity to settle it on the field, or do you want to take away their opportunities?

Posted by Muahahaha
Ohio
Member since Nov 2005
6737 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:47 pm to
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Even with 8, unless you're willing to put 3-4 SEC teams in, for example, you're going to have to sit through Alabama or Clemson vs. Northwestern or Iowa in the first round. You don't think that's watered down? Those would be 35 point wins.


Yes, but the argument always seems to be this team should be 4, etc. You will always have that even at 8, like this year, Texas A&M, FLorida, etc. would get in. If not 8, how about 6?
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 2:49 pm
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 2:57 pm to
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Even with 8, unless you're willing to put 3-4 SEC teams in, for example, you're going to have to sit through Alabama or Clemson vs. Northwestern or Iowa in the first round. You don't think that's watered down? Those would be 35 point wins.


I'm assuming you don't think the winner of, America East, for example, doesn't belong in the NCAA tournament because they're probably going to get slaughtered in the first round?
Posted by sms151t
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:03 pm to
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Ga. State, Ga. Southern, Appy State, Western Ky, Troy, South Fla, Liberty...none were Division I in 2000.


I love the ignorance of this. Georgia St is only one not D1 as of 2000
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:08 pm to
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There really needs to be more anger over what’s going on to the g5. If there was any year to give them an opportunity it’s this one and instead they’re telling them they don’t give 2 shits.



The sun belt is paying for how bad they were 10 and 20 years ago but it’s a way different conference now.

Coastal has played 11 games and won them all, they had an open date and best BYU instead of sitting on their arse.

They should be rewarded for this. It’s bull shite.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39752 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:10 pm to
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Ga. State, Ga. Southern, Appy State, Western Ky, Troy, South Fla, Liberty...none were Division I in 2000.




And every single one of those schools has power 5 wins.

App is better program than Wake or hell NC State.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
60918 posts
Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:38 pm to
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Even with 8, unless you're willing to put 3-4 SEC teams in, for example, you're going to have to sit through Alabama or Clemson vs. Northwestern or Iowa in the first round. You don't think that's watered down? Those would be 35 point wins.


Who cares? The point is the best thing for the long term health of the sport would be for every school to actually have a chance to get in. Participation rates across the country are dropping, attendance is dropping, TV viewership is dropping. The best way to combat that is to give people from every school a real reason to watch.

Win your conference and you're in. If every school has a chance you will see a lot more athletes willing to go elsewhere than they are now. The talent being more spread out is good for the game. More people having a reason to care is good for the game. If there is a blowout in the first round oh well. That doesn't stop every other level of football from doing it that way and it shouldn't be an excuse for FBS to say it can't happen. Alabama and Clemson are not always going to be such monsters. Eventually Saban and Dabo will be gone. Those two currently being so dominant is a terrible excuse for saying every team shouldn't have a chance.
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