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re: A Mike & Mike for the ages

Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:00 am to
Posted by lsufan112001
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:00 am to
I could handle m and m about 5 years ago. Not a bit anymore
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:04 am to
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I love how you high and mighty know-it-alls think you know everything. Whether you want to believe it or not.. People do stop watching that filth of a production for periods of time only to come back and try to give it another shot.. Only to then be shown the very reason why they gave it up.

I have not watched a single ESPN show (outside of live events) in literally at least 2 months until this week. So you can straight up go frick yourself.

There are reasons why you see so many people react this way.


The post was made in jest. Don't take things so seriously. Breathe my friend.
Posted by TunaTigers
Nola
Member since Dec 2007
5369 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:16 am to
This is the season he has to prove he is a top ten QB. He has all the weapons, people are fapping hard to this new quick offense they installed for Ryan to run.

Still to compare him to Peyton is laughable.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Member since Nov 2011
69124 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:19 am to
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I could handle m and m about 5 years ago. Not a bit anymore


They're pretty horrible when they are trolling for a twitter topic, etc. I will occasionally listen/watch when they have a guest on the subway fresh-take hotline, if something significant in sports had happened the night before or over the weekend. Otherwise, it's really bad. And the amount of commercial breaks are obscene.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:25 am to
They have had a lot of sub ins the last week or two on their show. Golic doesn't bother me nearly as much as Greenberg does. Except when he threw a childish hissy fit about Notre Dame being deserving of what they get.
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:25 am to
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His per play stats will go up when they get rid of that horrendously conservative playbook they've run up into this point in his career. When all you do is run, run, pass... it kind of lends itself to a low completion percentage.


yeah but I think this also creates an illusion of Ryan being better than he is. He's a great front running qb when his line is dominating and turner is running downhill. He would play action a lot and hit a bunch of dump offs and bootleg type plays. I don't think he has near the pocket presence or arm to do what Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford do consistently, even though he has BY FAR the most talented combination of guys split out.
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 10:26 am
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:41 am to
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ah but I think this also creates an illusion of Ryan being better than he is. He's a great front running qb when his line is dominating and turner is running downhill. He would play action a lot and hit a bunch of dump offs and bootleg type plays. I don't think he has near the pocket presence or arm to do what Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford do consistently, even though he has BY FAR the most talented combination of guys split out.


totally agree. I try to think in terms of what Brees would do with those weapons. What Rogers would do. Brady, etc....

A lot of talent on that offense only to put up a big fat goose egg in the playoffs. Then, to make matters worse, your second year receiver is talking smack about defenses not even showing up after the worst offensive performance ever seen.
Posted by lsu480
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:45 am to
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The only difference between Ryan and Romo is that Romo actually didn't choke one time against a shitty Eagles team in the postseason. Matt Ryan makes Tony Romo seem underrated, which I once thought was impossible.


Romo is actually the most underrated QB in the NFL. 90% of people think he sucks and he does not suck.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26186 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:55 am to
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Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford do consistently


In terms of arm strength these guys are in a league of their own.

Watch Peyton throw the ball. He doesn't have the velocity of the guys mentioned above but he'll go down as one of the best to play the position. His replacement, Andrew Luck, doesn't have a great arm with a ton of power, but everyone thinks he'll be a starter in this league for many years.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:56 am to
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Romo is actually the most underrated QB in the NFL. 90% of people think he sucks and he does not suck.


I agree and I have been saying this for a while.

Say what you want about playoff wins, but anyone who has to play for Jerruh is going to have a bad time. Not to mention, your "best receiver" has to have a 3 man security team with him at all times and can't learn the playbook.

It's a circus in Dallas and they won't win another championship until Jerruh is no longer owner or he decides to stop trying to be head coach, GM, cheerleader, beer guy, etc... and I don't see the latter happening ever.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:58 am to
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In terms of arm strength these guys are in a league of their own.

Watch Peyton throw the ball. He doesn't have the velocity of the guys mentioned above but he'll go down as one of the best to play the position. His replacement, Andrew Luck, doesn't have a great arm with a ton of power, but everyone thinks he'll be a starter in this league for many years.


Great point. What Peyton lacks in arm strength, he MORE than makes up for in intelligence and his ability to read, manipulate and dissect defenses.

Posted by kevv824
Member since Sep 2006
2386 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 11:03 am to
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Matt Ryan makes Tony Romo seem underrated, which I once thought was impossible.
Great line and I completely agree
Posted by LooseCannon22282
South Alabama Fan
Member since May 2008
36008 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 11:21 am to
He's been a good QB in the regular season but also had a good ground game to help him out. In the playoffs, he has failed to take the next step.

2008 playoffs: 26-40 199 yds. 2 TD 2 Int
2010 playoffs: 20-29 186 yds. 1 TD 2 Int
2011 playoffs: 24-41 199 yds. 0 Td 0 Int

They did make the playoffs in his rookie year but again that was due more to Michael Turner and that ground game.

It seems like this year they are gonna air it out more and he does have a lot of talent to work with. I'm not real sure how much ESPN hypes him because I don't watch that channel very much unless there is a game on. But his playoffs numbers are pretty pedestrian. I mean if a QB has 41 passing attempts and only has 199 yards to show for it, that is pathetic. This is a big year for him. If he leads his team to the playoffs again and lays another egg, then what?
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68103 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 11:31 am to
Can't wait to beat the shite out of them
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64519 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 11:38 am to
i am pretty upset i am in class and cant listen to this.

it sounds like it is hilarious
Posted by BigBrod81
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 12:16 pm to
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yeah but I think this also creates an illusion of Ryan being better than he is. He's a great front running qb when his line is dominating and turner is running downhill. He would play action a lot and hit a bunch of dump offs and bootleg type plays. I don't think he has near the pocket presence or arm to do what Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford do consistently, even though he has BY FAR the most talented combination of guys split out.


This is the most solid post in this thread. Ryan has lived off the effects of a solid running game from Turner so far in career. He has been most effective when the ground game is dominant & he can hit Roddy White & Tony Gonzales off of play action in the 10-15 yard range from the line of scrimmage.

Ryan is modern day Steve DeBerg. He feasts on the ability to use play action but against good teams that have been able to make Atlanta one dimensional, he has struggled trying to carry & lead the offense himself. This is the main reason for his & Atlanta's lack of success in postseason play.

Throw in the fact that Ryan throws one of ugliest deep balls in the league & it then becomes hard for Atlanta to stretch the field. For explosive plays, thee Falcons have had to rely on Roddy White & Julio Jones to use their ability on those 10-15 yards after the catch for explosive plays. The change in their offensive scheme still will not magically give Ryan the ability to throw a better deep ball & with Turner on the decline after several 300+ carry seasons, he won't have the backing of such a successful running game either. The Falcons may end up having a really inconsistent offense this season because of this.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 12:18 pm to
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i am pretty upset i am in class and cant listen to this

it was on this morning

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it sounds like it is hilarious


DL the podcast
Posted by wilceaux
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 1:09 pm to
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Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford do consistently


In terms of arm strength these guys are in a league of their own.

Watch Peyton throw the ball. He doesn't have the velocity of the guys mentioned above but he'll go down as one of the best to play the position. His replacement, Andrew Luck, doesn't have a great arm with a ton of power, but everyone thinks he'll be a starter in this league for many years.


Brees doesn't have a strong arm. Peyton in his prime probably had a stronger arm than Brees.
And Luck has a very strong arm. He can make any throw on the field. Perfect mechanics, as well.
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 1:13 pm to
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Brees doesn't have a strong arm. Peyton in his prime probably had a stronger arm than Brees

Peyton never had a very strong arm in terms of distance. Neither for that matter did Montana. It was Montana's accuracy and especially touch that were great. He was born to play in the WCO.
Posted by wilceaux
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2004
13073 posts
Posted on 8/28/12 at 1:17 pm to
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strong arm in terms of distance


Distance doesn't really define a strong arm.
They can all throw it pretty far.
A strong arm is a 30-yard frozen rope.
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