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re: A little LeBron James stat i saw on twitter
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:53 pm to cubsfan5150
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:53 pm to cubsfan5150
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Maybe because the Bulls went out and got Kukoc (sp?) and Kerr to try to take MJ's spot, while keeping the core of the team
So not much drop off from MJ to a Kucoc/Kerr rotation? Interesting.
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:55 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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At least we've moved past the "Kyrie bailed LeBron out" narrative.
Nobody better mention the Ray Allen bailing Lebron out in game 7 vs the Spurs, otherwise he would have maybe 2 rings. And that lockout shortened season has as much of an asterisk as the '99 Spurs.
No aging contenders had a chance that year with the constant 4 games in 6 nights that year....contenders like the Spurs, Celtics & Mavs who would have absolutely been in the running that year if they weren't old as dirt. That's why Cuban blew that 'chip team up; it was impossible for those old bodies to revenge.
You think it's a coincidence 2 of the youngest in OKC & MIA went that year?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:56 pm to AjaxFury
quote:Easy. He named 5 teammates of LeBron. Other than Dwade, the other 4 won exactly 0 playoff series as their team's top player.
How is this downvoted?
MJ had arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA on his team.
Tada
quote:DWade is the only sure fire HOFer LeBron had, and that was only 4 years. Bosh very likely gets in, but he can thank LeBron for that.
Pippen was the only HOF she had for the long haul.
quote:He had Rodman and Kukoc.
He didn't have aging stars that could still play like Ray Allen, Battier (def star), etc.
quote:Paxson/Kerr/Armstrong...all on the same level as those 2 are this year.
He got Deron Williams & Korver for nothing this year. Jordan didn't have that luxury
quote:MJ had the next best player in the entire NBA.
He has always needed a stacked deck, while Jordan didn't. No one can deny that.
Also, you do realize what happened the year after MJ's 1st retirement, right? 55 win team, now THAT is a stacked deck. No team LeBron has ever played on would have sniffed 55 wins without him, so how do you counter that?
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:57 pm to AjaxFury
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You think it's a coincidence 2 of the youngest in OKC & MIA went that year?
KD/Russ/Harden/Ibaka
Lebron/Wade/Bosh
Definitely 100% due to more veteran teams being tired from playing a shorter season
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:59 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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For shits and giggles, Lebron in game 7 to win the series: 37/12/4
Jordan was so dominant, his teams went to game 7 ZERO TIMES
His teams never let them hang around to get that far. You fanatics always say "don't penalize Lebron for losing in the Finals, at least he made it" Well, don't penalize Jordan because he was such a killer that he never needed a game 7.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:00 pm to AjaxFury
quote:Lebron has gone 7 years in a row, and the Spurs were riding a 20 game win streak 2 games into the WCF, so yea, pretty logical to say it was a coincidence.
You think it's a coincidence 2 of the youngest in OKC & MIA went that year?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:03 pm to AjaxFury
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No other team was on par with the 90s Pistons, Pacers or Knicks he routinely went thru.
Jordan only beat the Pistons once as they were on the way down anyway. They were no better than the '13 and '14 Pacers.
The '11 Bulls won 62 games and led the league in SRS. Rose's injury is probably the leading cause of the current situation in the east. They likely would've beaten the Bosh-less Heat in '12 as they once again were the best team in the regular season.
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a lot of that was his doing with the roster jumping he did in the same conference.
It really has nothing to do with that. The Heat were a first round out at best after '06 and Wade fell off pretty quickly starting in '13. The Raptors struggled to even make the playoffs with Bosh; he's done now. Kyrie had never even made the playoffs and with his questionable impact I doubt that was gonna change any time soon.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:15 pm to redfishfan
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Lol the Bulls went to the ECF and won over 50 games without Jordan. He played on DAMN good teams.
50 games was good enough to get you the #7 or #8 seed in the *real* conference. Hell, one 50 win team missed the playoffs one year the west was so good.
Meanwhile, the East has such gorgeous teams like the Bobcats & Pistons making the playoffs, with some seeds as high as #4 had a losing record. These Lebron threads are so disingenous when no one considers quality of competition on road to the finals.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:25 pm to shel311
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You also can't take random highlights or the few games you watch each season, so what are you saying?
Unless you're watching film session of every team in the league, what's the point?
The highlights I posted weren't an end-all-be all...it was a microcosm of the intense D that was played on a regular basis, which was amped up more when it counted. You make it sound like you could take any all star & find savage D being played on a mixtape.
Most players aren't capable of that level of D. Lebron is included in the few that are capable of complete lockdown. The point is, no one would argue against Kobe, Lebron or Jordan being elite defenders. But those metrics you posted require detailed analysis of a myriad of factors & game situations, which renders those #s meaningless in a vacuum, must less a casual message board debate
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:25 pm to AjaxFury
Don't deflect. The Bulls went to the ECF without MJ. He played on damn good teams. I think MJ is the goat. Doesn't mean I have to ignore facts.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:27 pm to AjaxFury
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Nobody better mention the Ray Allen bailing Lebron out in game 7 vs the Spurs, otherwise he would have maybe 2 rings. And that lockout shortened season has as much of an asterisk as the '99 Spurs.
LBJ went HAM in the 4th quarter of that game. Ray Allen hit the big shot but they are not in that position without LBJ scoring 12+ in the 4th.
Edit- he scored 18 in the 4th lol
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:27 pm to shel311
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MJ had the next best player in the entire NBA
And you just lost all credibility
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:30 pm to AjaxFury
quote:What year was that?
with some seeds as high as #4 had a losing record
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:31 pm to redfishfan
quote:Nah, 2nd round. But the point still stands, 55 wins and a 3 seed without MJ, but posters want to say MJ had the lesser teams. Meanwhile, every time LEbron leaves or doesn't play, his teams are terrible.
The Bulls went to the ECF without MJ
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:34 pm to redfishfan
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Lol the Bulls went to the ECF and won over 50 games without Jordan
In what year? 2011?
You just lost all credibility too.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:34 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:Sure thing.
And you just lost all credibility
The 1 year MJ leaves Pippen goes for something like 23/9/6, finishes 3rd in MVP Voting, and was the best defensive player in the league. 1st team All NBA and 1st team All Defense.
Now imagine how much better he could have been if he didn't have to defer to the GOAT all those years.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:36 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:Telling people they've lost credibility while bringing up 2011 as the year after MJ left the team.
In what year? 2011?
You just lost all credibility too.
You may just want to call it a day in this thread. There's plenty others on the MSB, probably wanna just sit this one out, it's for the best.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:36 pm to shel311
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quote: How is this downvoted? Easy. He named 5 teammates of LeBron. Other than Dwade, the other 4 won exactly 0 playoff series as their team's top player. MJ had arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA on his team.
And how many championships did the "2nd best player" win (he wasn't) without Jordan.
The answer is zero. Shel, you make the most asinine arguments sometimes. This doesn't make any sense. "Other than D-Wade"
KG didn't win a playoff game until he was with Cassell & Sprewell. So I guess he's a bum like Love. And the Kevin Love T-wolves would have been a top 5 seed in the East, and the #10 & #11 team from the west would of made the playoffs in the bum arse East.
Why do you think Lebron stayed in the East....to take the easy road instead of competing against the West gauntlet every year where #7 & #8 seeds knock off #1 & #2 seeds & it's not a shocker because the conference was legitimately stacked with the best teams
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:37 pm to cubsfan5150
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In what year? 2011? You just lost all credibility too.
My bad bro. Made a mistake. Bulls went to semis without MJ and won 55 games. The point was he played on good teams. No sense in ignoring that.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
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First off, you ever seen Lebron elevate? It'd be liftoff city. And he'd foul those dude's out of games with the quickness.
dude one of the big talking points the old timers use is how lebron wouldn't get the calls that he does today. Don't you think if it was that easy popped and Jordan would've fouled them out every game. Or do you think Jordan couldn't drive?
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