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re: 4 teams. With requirement to be Conf Champ in there.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:07 pm to msutiger
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:07 pm to msutiger
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So Ohio State sits at home and rests up while Clemson goes to battle next Saturday with their playoff hopes on the line in a conference championship?
Well said.
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Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:11 pm to little billy
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battle
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:13 pm to little billy
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Well said.
so according to you, the Big12 should never be allowed in the playoffs.
got it
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Do I think Ohio St is one of the four best teams in the country? Yes. Do I think you should have to win your conference to make the playoffs? Yes. Do I think Ohio St should be in the playoffs? No.
The winner of the Big 10 Championship should be in the playoffs.
Will Ohio St be in the playoffs? Yes.
The winner of the Big 10 Championship should be in the playoffs.
Will Ohio St be in the playoffs? Yes.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:17 pm to little billy
Thanks for your opinion. Winning a conference championship is a stupid requirement.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:20 pm to forksup
quote:Silly argument. Ohio State has the 3rd best record in the country and by all metrics one of the toughest schedules in the country. They're a clear top 4 team, and there is no scenario that can play out the rest of the way that will change that.
Every team in the PAC-12 should front load their schedule to get this loophole Ohio is going to get. Lose one of your first three games and finish strong with 9 wins in a row. P12 might get THREE teams in the playoffs. Or whichever conference decides to do this Every team in the PAC-12 should front load their schedule to get this loophole Ohio is going to get. Lose one of your first three games and finish strong with 9 wins in a row. P12 might get THREE teams in the playoffs. Or whichever conference decides to do this
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:21 pm to Weagle25
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Take the 4 conference champions with the best resume.
Making a conf champ a hard requirement is not a good idea. It should be considered as a factor (and I think it is with the committee) when deciding head to head which team(s) should go.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:42 pm to dcrews
Right. A conference title is one of many factors, a good tie-breaker between two teams with otherwise similar resumes. Assuming that the favorites win next week, it will be Alabama, Clemson, Washington, and Ohio State, and other than undefeated Western Michigan, nobody outside the top four will have as good a record or as tough a schedule as Ohio State. They're in, period.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:57 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Thanks for your opinion. Winning a conference championship is a stupid requirement.
I understand a win is a win, but a fair number of your wins were very, very close to losses. 2 wins in OT and 1 win because the coach went for 2 and failed. then you beat NW by 4. Sure, the Nebraska game looked impressive and so did Oklahoma.
So, as far as "eye test" tOSU has looked better both in 14 and 15.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 10:59 pm to Klendathu
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I want the 4 best teams
not necessarily best record.
we know that there will be more OOC games vs P5's.
legislate P5's best teams to play other P5 conferences best teams
just like NFL. 1's from last year play other 1's. 2's vs 2's.
rotate which conferences. so this year, P12 vs SEC. next year SEC vs Big10.
its not comparable to playing Oklahoma if you play NW or Oregon State.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:11 pm to East Coast Band
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So, as far as "eye test" tOSU has looked better both in 14 and 15.
I definitely disagree with this.
3-1 against the top 8 this season. Absolutely destroyed Nebraska. The defense has been phenomenal. Oregon was flashy and constantly passed the "eye test" with zero to show for it. They can keep that.
If they go and win it, they'll probably have wins over four P5 champs. Hard to argue against that.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:17 pm to CelticDog
OOC games don't count against conference standings...
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:21 pm to little billy
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Do I think you should have to win your conference to make the playoffs? Yes.
if you do this, you address the complaint that only 4 teams get to play for the championship.
it will just have to be enough that the one loss team in the SEC west does not get to play Bama again in the finals. instead they host the Sugar bowl. same with THE Ohio state. they get to enjoy the Rose bowl, (in your scenario).
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:13 am to Bench McElroy
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How come it's okay for every other sport to have a champion who failed to win their division or conference EXCEPT for college football? Even in the European soccer leagues, the second, third and sometimes the fourth place teams get automatic berths for the Champions League. MLB has two wild card teams in each league make the playoffs. Same thing with the NFL. But when teams who failed to win their division or conference make the CFB Playoff, it becomes this huge issue.
Do any of those leagues have a system where the conference winner DOESN'T get in and someone below them in-conference does? (E.g., PSU and tOSU this year)
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:26 am to Wooly
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Remember when the sec west had in 2011
1. LSU
2. BAMA
3. Arkansas
Wasn't a playoff system back then. Your point is invalid.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:25 am to MI LSU
Here's how I think this should be handled.
We can all agree that the Big 10 deserves a playoff spot. Whether that spot should go to OSU or the conf champ is something the Big 10 should decide on it's own. It's ultimately a family argument so let the family decide it.
Have all of the non-involved Big 10 AD's meet in a room - 12 Angry Men style - and debate the issue and cast a secret ballot on who should go.
That way the rest of the country doesn't get dragged into this mess. They can decide for THEMSELVES how to weigh H2H, champ game, SOS, stats, etc. The playoff committee is off the hook to fight another day.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:26 am to Weagle25
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Not sure why y'all want to let these "wildcards" in.
Because they're better teams and conference championships are ultimately a Silver Medal at best.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:29 am to msutiger
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Yeah, that's not how it works. You don't get the title of best team in college football when you are unable to earn the title of "Best Team in my Division"
I mean, do you really believe Penn State is better than Ohio State? Yes, they won the game. And yes, the results matter. Just like the results of Penn State losing to Pittsburgh and getting arse fricked by Michigan matter.
Ohio State went and played Oklahoma, possible Big XII champs, out of conference. They won convincingly. Penn State played Pittsburgh out of conference and lost. Ohio State should be rewarded for their decision and triumph.
Let me add a scenario.
Take Ohio State's 2016 schedule. Everything is the same EXCEPT instead of Bowling Green they play and beat Washington (who wins out otherwise) and instead of Tulsa they play Clemson (who wins out otherwise).
So, OOC they would have wins over Oklahoma (say they're Big XII Champs), Clemson (Say they're ACC Champs), and Washington (say they're Pac-12 Champs). But because they lose 1 game to Penn State, whereas Penn State loses to Pitt and gets blown out by Michigan, some of you would keep Ohio State out? Obviously this scenario would probably never happen, but if it did, tOSU would not be conference champions, but would undoubtedly deserve a spot in the playoffs IMO.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 2:38 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:04 am to SEC. 593
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If Alabama are to lose to Florida, would people support a two loss CC over a one loss Bama?
yeah
quite honestly, whoever loses next week deserves to be knocked out
there, i just expanded the playoff to 10 teams
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:24 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
This is it exactly
You will never get a good answer here as 75% of posters are LSU fans still mad about 2011 or Bama fans still happy about 2011
You will never get a good answer here as 75% of posters are LSU fans still mad about 2011 or Bama fans still happy about 2011
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