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re: 2024 NASCAR Season Thread - 2024-25 Offseason

Posted on 8/14/24 at 8:00 pm to
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 8/14/24 at 8:00 pm to
To be fair, NASCAR makes themselves easy to hate
Posted by alabamahammer
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 8/14/24 at 10:33 pm to
NASCAR has gotten way too soft. I haven’t watched in years but the clips I saw on Twitter gave me hope until this dumb decision
Posted by Florida_Man1981
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 8/14/24 at 11:17 pm to
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I agree. I just hope RC and the 3 don't think they are now devoid of retribution or will be given any leeway by his fellow competitors as long as he is in the series. He showed his true colors on Sunday and in his talks since then. Then again self-awareness isn't AD's strong suit, see last year when he wrecked himself and tried to throw his helmet at Reddick because he had to blame someone and he definitely doesn't realize he isn't anything more than a mid packer that can find wins every year or two.


Dillon has always been a tool. The cowboy hat, reality show, wrecking people to win and thinking it's OK. Good to see the playoff spot taken away and you have to think the attitude from Dillon and RCR played a big part in it.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 8:25 am to
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Good to see the playoff spot taken away


While I don't think it's right to take the playoff spot away, just because they've never done it before and regardless of what happened in the last two corners Dillion DID have the best car all night.

That being said, Dillion would have been out after the first round anyway. So now they can put in another back marker (#Cough Bubba #Cough) that will ALSO be out after the first round. Which is cool, I guess. But after thinking about it that way, what's the difference in keeping the #3 vs some other scrub?
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 8:28 am
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:36 pm to
Jeff Gluck linked on Twitter to his piece in The Athletic saying NASCAR did the right thing … I won’t link to it because it’s behind a paywall … and he’s being savaged by people who say soyboys are pussifying NASCAR by turning it into F1 where drivers can’t make contact and that what happened at Richmond is what NASCAR is all about.

I think what’s right and wrong is cut and dried here. As I’ve observed, however, there’s a significant portion of the fan base that wants what happened at Richmond to be the norm. So does NASCAR run them off?
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:43 pm to
I think it's more like a big portion of the fan base thinks it wants Earnhardt back, and this is how Dale used to do it, etc. Dillon ain't Dale.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:05 pm to
I think you nailed it
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:16 pm to
If those people think this is the way that Dale used to race, then they just started watching in the last 10-15 years.

Your point is correct. This isn't getting on you.

For as aggressive as he raced and raced others, Dale NEVER did what Dillon did.
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 1:17 pm
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:18 pm to
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there’s a significant portion of the fan base that wants what happened at Richmond to be the norm
I think a large portion of the fanbase doesn't know the difference between a bump and run, door check, or getting someone loose vs a right hook or intentional wreck. I've seen as much on social media and heard as much on the call in show. Listened to one guy either this morning or last night on one of SXM shows ask if NASCAR should take away Reddicks playoff spot for what he did at Darlington. The host pointed out that Reddick made a dumb move trying to get to much too late, but had the 17 not done the same thing causing himself to slap the wall when he was told Reddick was making the move then that contact doesn't happened. The fact that a portion, small large whatever doesn't know that there is a huge difference between trying to do too much and losing it vs intentionally wrecking someone is extremely telling.

I've listened to a lot of drivers at different levels and different experience levels talk about Sunday, and the consensus by guys who drive racecars is that if what AD did gets you black flagged and suspended in karting, local tracks, and the CARS Tour then why should it be ok at the pinnacle of North American Racing?
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:20 pm to
Exactly. They THINK this was how Dale did it, but Earnhardt was seldom this obvious. He almost always could claim it was "just one of them racin' deals". What Dillon did was so damn blatant.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
5364 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:21 pm to
The bottom line is that Earnhardt Sr. was a masterful race car driver.

Austin Dillon can barely drive a nail.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:23 pm to
Bingo.
I'll never be mistaken for an Earnhardt Sr. fan, but I can acknowledge that he was better than all but a few of his competitors. Dillon is at the bottom of the middle of the pack.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
5364 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:23 pm to
He learned it from his Daddy, who according to folks who raced against him like Ned Jarrett was a master of such things and never crossed the line because if he wrecked his car trying to do craziness he couldn’t put food on the table.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
5364 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:25 pm to
Let me choose my words carefully here … a lot of the caricatures people in other racing series have about NASCAR fans and about what they come to see at the races is 100% accurate.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:28 pm to
I never understood people who wanted to see broken cars and injured drivers.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:29 pm to
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While I don't think it's right to take the playoff spot away,

Of course you don't.

Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
5364 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:36 pm to
I have seen four men killed before my eyes in racing accidents. It was not pleasant.

I think if you took the risk of it happening away, racing would not be the same, part of the draw is people going to the ragged edge between life and death and coming back, but people who come to the track salivating to see carnage are beneath contempt.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
11455 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:40 pm to
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a lot of the caricatures people in other racing series have about NASCAR fans and about what they come to see at the races is 100% accurate
Oh...I've been to enough tracks to see that. I'll just say my conversations with fans at certain tracks are way different than they are at others. Some fans it's fun to have actual strategy conversations and talk about what a driver is doing with his line and how he is carrying his speed or listening to the RE and discussing strategies that might be divulged. Others well...your caricature is a perfect example. Though some of the caricatures have been way more fun to party with between the xfinity and cup races.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:41 pm to
I was attracted to racing because of the color, the spectacle, the speed, and the skill and bravery of the drivers. Foyt, Andretti, Petty, etc. were heroes to me, and I sure as hell didn't want them hurt or dead.
I think the first racing book I ever read was Peter Revson's autobiography "Speed With Style". It was a great introduction to this exciting sport and the men in it: skilled, ballsy, and bigger than life.
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 1:42 pm
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
5364 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:52 pm to
Revson was a badass, great wheelman and a lot tougher than his playboy, jet setting image. Horrible loss to the sport.
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