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re: 2024 NASCAR Season Thread - 2024-25 Offseason
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:30 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:30 am to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:I don't disagree. I just think we view an aggressive move from a guy in top equipment as being aggressive and a similar move by someone in middle to low end equipment as running out of talent.
Larson has a body of work that shows his talent and ability produce high quality results. LaJoie doesn’t have that.
quote:I seem to remember this as the 9 and 48 team both completely whiffed on the setup. Now that is another indication of talent as I feel like Chase would have found a way to get a top 15 or at least top 20 out of the car.
LaJoie really disappointed when he drove the 9 car in place of Chase Elliott last year. Seemed completely in over his head then.
That said I do think Lajoie has the least talent at Spire. I feel like Hocevar and Smith are both immensely talented, and if Spire could only keep two that's who you keep. I still think after listening to him talk that he was born to be a crew chief. If his craft behind the wheel fit his understanding of the car he would be regarded much differently.
At present though he is in the Dillon, Steinhouse, Jones, Nemechek, Hemric, Preece, Burton, and Haley discussion as guys that can keep a seat warm but shouldn't occupy a seat if you have one ready to move up.
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Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:44 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:
seem to remember this as the 9 and 48 team both completely whiffed on the setup
Only when Chase drove.
Setup for LaJoie was perfect.
Chase when he was in the car in 2023.
Failed at least one win for the first time since 2017 and finished a career-worst 17th in the standings.
But sure, LaJoie’s ONE race in the 9 where he finished 21st is a forever indictment.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 1:20 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Only scored top tens on drafting tracks. Even fricking Danica had top tens outside of Daytona and talladega. That’s all the info I need.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 1:31 pm to MikeHoncho47
quote:Danica was also with SHR that has won multiple championships. Lajoie has all but 2 of Spire's all time best finishes Haley's win in 19 and Smith at Nashville, and the company has only had one non drafting track or road course top 10 ever which was Smith's finish two weeks ago. I'm not saying he's a great driver, but saying a guy hasn't been up front in back of the pack Go FAS and Spire cars isn't what I gauge drivers on personally. I get we are seeing Smith and Hocevar flash and show promise, but the whole lot of them are still back in the 30's in points and when a race hasn't turned into a strategy race they have gotten lucky on we haven't seen too much of the Spire cars unless they were involved in a caution.
Danica had top tens outside of Daytona and talladega.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 2:49 pm to AwesomeSauce
Charting the 9 car finishes starting from 2nd race last year thru race after Charlotte suspension:
Chase - 2nd
Berry - 29
Berry - 10
Berry - 18
J Taylor- 24 (was wrecked turn 1 late restart(
Berry - 2
Berry - 27 (bristol dirt)
Chase - 10
Chase - 12
Chase - 11
Chase - 7
Chase - 3
Chase 34 (wrecked by DH and hooked him)
Cory - 21
Doesn’t tell us much. Chase was on the comeback to make chase prior to Charlotte. Car was improving. Then Cory ran 1 race and didn’t finish high. Then Chase came back and it seems that put them so far back he mailed it in. And they turned into research team for HMS.
Chase - 2nd
Berry - 29
Berry - 10
Berry - 18
J Taylor- 24 (was wrecked turn 1 late restart(
Berry - 2
Berry - 27 (bristol dirt)
Chase - 10
Chase - 12
Chase - 11
Chase - 7
Chase - 3
Chase 34 (wrecked by DH and hooked him)
Cory - 21
Doesn’t tell us much. Chase was on the comeback to make chase prior to Charlotte. Car was improving. Then Cory ran 1 race and didn’t finish high. Then Chase came back and it seems that put them so far back he mailed it in. And they turned into research team for HMS.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 5:03 pm to AwesomeSauce
He’s been a full-time Cup driver since 2017 ish. NASCAR has run 4 races a year at drafting tracks. Now 6. He’s only run 35 races of his career on those tracks. That’s only 12.5%. In the other 87.5% of his cup starts he couldn’t muster up a single 10th place finish? Justin Haley drug a Rick ware car to a top 10 twice this year. At Nashville and Gateway. Corey’s about out of excuses. And he won’t have any when Rodney Childers is on the pitbox next year.
He should’ve had at least one top ten at a road course, short track, or intermediate by now.
Even Danica (regardless of equipment) got top tens at Kansas, old Atlanta, Martinsville, Bristol, and Dover.
He should’ve had at least one top ten at a road course, short track, or intermediate by now.
Even Danica (regardless of equipment) got top tens at Kansas, old Atlanta, Martinsville, Bristol, and Dover.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:05 am to MikeHoncho47
quote:You are correct, I forgot about the BK racing and TriStar years. Know who else drove BK cars? Alex Bowman he of course had a litany of top 15's and always finished on the lead lap in that equipment /s.
since 2017 ish
quote:WWT and Darlington, but I understand what you are saying. Rick Ware also just stole a driver from a perceived better team. They have put a lot of money into their program from the ground up and see a gap behind Penske/RFK as a tier 2 Ford organization they are looking to fill.
Justin Haley drug a Rick ware car to a top 10 twice this year. At Nashville and Gateway.
quote:Equipment matters. Especially at non drafting or road course tracks. Which is why the guys behind the cut line on every show they talk about how the guys are frustrated the race this week got moved to the big track because without the road course there is only one real option for one of the underdogs to score the win or major points.
regardless of equipment
No one is saying Corey Lajoie is this immense talent, but if you're going to throw out examples as to why he is bad then at least drop the "I know this driver was on a championship team and this one was on a start and park, but cmon why didn't he do better?"
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:19 am to AwesomeSauce
I’m not saying he’s the next Larson. But if he was any good he’d have drug that spire car to at least one top 10 in the Cup series outside of drafting tracks.
Harrison Burton drove the 21 to a top ten at Darlington. And a top 5 at Indy RC. And he’s arguably the worst full time driver right now.
Corey’s not even as good as Matt Dibenedetto. Matt D drove that same BK racing car to a 6th at Bristol. And I’m pretty sure a 7th at Indy too. My point is at this point, I’m not sure Corey has the talent to be in the Cup Series. Explain how Carson Hocevar has embarrassed in a car that was awful last year.
Harrison Burton drove the 21 to a top ten at Darlington. And a top 5 at Indy RC. And he’s arguably the worst full time driver right now.
Corey’s not even as good as Matt Dibenedetto. Matt D drove that same BK racing car to a 6th at Bristol. And I’m pretty sure a 7th at Indy too. My point is at this point, I’m not sure Corey has the talent to be in the Cup Series. Explain how Carson Hocevar has embarrassed in a car that was awful last year.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:38 am to MikeHoncho47
quote:It happens 100% it does and with the equipment and the gap these guys are trying to make up you either have to be exceptionally talented and make good calls or get extremely lucky and make good calls.
But if he was any good he’d have drug that spire car to at least one top 10 in the Cup series outside of drafting tracks.
quote:100% agree. The 21 is a fourth Penske car at this point and Wood Brothers in name only. That car is capable of winning races but instead is the only saving grace for not making Cindric look completely out of his depth in that camp. I think Lajoie is a better driver than Burton and the fact he is putting together a better season with a lesser team shows that.
Harrison Burton drove the 21 to a top ten at Darlington. And a top 5 at Indy RC. And he’s arguably the worst full time driver right now.
quote:He did get a 6th with BK, the Indy finish was an 8th with Go FAS. If I'm not mistaken though that 32 car was nowhere near the top 10 until late when there was so much attrition they almost ran out of daylight and had to rewrite the OT rules the next day. Kahne won that race with something like 11 or 12 drivers taking the checkered flag on the lead lap.
Matt D drove that same BK racing car to a 6th at Bristol. And I’m pretty sure a 7th at Indy too.
quote:I think he is talented enough now and can give good enough feedback to warrant a seat at current. I do not think he deserves a seat if you have an opportunity to move someone like Love or Hill into that seat. I also think he is the least talented of their current stable at Spire. Even though he has been more consistent than Smith and Hocevar they have it that I don't see from Corey.
I’m not sure Corey has the talent to be in the Cup Series. Explain how Carson Hocevar has embarrassed in a car that was awful last year.
Question for you. If you had one seat available in a tier 2 ride and the options were Dillon, Lajoie, or Burton who would you put in it based off the results over the last 30ish races?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:52 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:58 am to Roll Tide Ravens
I like seeing this option being available. I just hope the falloff is more dramatic than we saw at the AS Race. Granted the new surface at NW I'm sure helped it hold up longer. It is nice to see this being an option though. I don't agree with all of the moves NASCAR has made recently, but having different compound tires or at least a set number of 'short run' tires is a great element to bring with these cars that hopefully promotes better racing at the short tracks with everyone being on a different strategy.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:05 am to MikeHoncho47
quote:
Explain how Carson Hocevar has embarrassed in a car that was awful last year.
His finishes have not been that great.
He got 8th in the Chicago shitshow which means nearly nothing.
10th in Texas. Meh.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:33 am to AwesomeSauce
quote:
I like seeing this option being available. I just hope the falloff is more dramatic than we saw at the AS Race.
Richmond hasn’t been the most exciting track, so I welcome something that might make it a more interesting race.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:41 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Richmond, Chicagoland and Loudon are my 3 least favorite tracks.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:46 am to Tigertown in ATL
Plus he's also making stupid, over-aggresive moves on the track that are pissing off drivers. And that's been his MO in every level
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:05 pm to Tigertown in ATL
quote:
Only when Chase drove.
Setup for LaJoie was perfect.
Chase when he was in the car in 2023.
Failed at least one win for the first time since 2017 and finished a career-worst 17th in the standings.
But sure, LaJoie’s ONE race in the 9 where he finished 21st is a forever indictment
On a fricking drafting track.
You seem to have a hard-on for Chase for some reason.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:07 pm to MikeHoncho47
quote:
He’s been a full-time Cup driver since 2017 ish. NASCAR has run 4 races a year at drafting tracks. Now 6. He’s only run 35 races of his career on those tracks. That’s only 12.5%. In the other 87.5% of his cup starts he couldn’t muster up a single 10th place finish? Justin Haley drug a Rick ware car to a top 10 twice this year. At Nashville and Gateway. Corey’s about out of excuses. And he won’t have any when Rodney Childers is on the pitbox next year.
He should’ve had at least one top ten at a road course, short track, or intermediate by now.
Even Danica (regardless of equipment) got top tens at Kansas, old Atlanta, Martinsville, Bristol, and Dover.
$$$$$
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:12 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:
If you had one seat available in a tier 2 ride and the options were Dillon, Lajoie, or Burton who would you put in it based off the results over the last 30ish races?
Dillon.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:18 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:22 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:I'm going to assume just purely due to $$$$? I knew Dillon had been bad, but didn't realize his last top 5 was Bristol Dirt last year and that was his only top 5 in the last 50 races.
Dillon
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