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Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:19 pm to
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Seems to be some rumors floating that Ocon will be dropped for the Canada GP.


Before the race was even over the Team Principal commented that there will be consequences and they will take a hard look at Ocon.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:29 pm to
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Since they will never redo the car size


I know it's a snippet from your sentence but in 2026 the cars are getting smaller. Not a ton but a step in the right direction.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 2:11 pm to
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indycars arent spec


They are 100% spec cars with approved parts they can use.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 2:13 pm to
Domenicalli supposedly said they are looking at no hybrid for 2030 to reduce the size and weight of the cars.

Posted by North Dallas Tiger
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 2:16 pm to
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Domenicalli supposedly said they are looking at no hybrid for 2030 to reduce the size and weight of the cars.
Bring back V10s
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 3:07 pm to
And Grid Girls. Don’t forget the Grid Girls!
Posted by North Dallas Tiger
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 3:09 pm to
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And Grid Girls. Don’t forget the Grid Girls!
I mean while we're at it let's bring back different tire manufacturers and refueling. Make F1 Great Again!
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 3:09 pm to
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Domenicalli supposedly said they are looking at no hybrid for 2030 to reduce the size and weight of the cars.


No way, with how much F1 is pumping the carbon neutral environment bs, there’s no way they will go back. Even though every single fan wants the v10s back
Posted by Grillades
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 3:20 pm to
F1 is working on a carbon neutral biofuel. If it delivers as promised, F1 says it will strongly consider going back to ICE-only power units, specifically V8s. That will allow the chassis to get smaller and lighter. Let's all hope that works out as planned. There is nothing like a screaming 15,000+rpm ICE.

F1 Super Fuel

Glorious bonus links: The Sound of a Ferrari V12, Sound of a Ferrari V8

This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 3:22 pm
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 4:26 pm to
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2nd in the Formula-E race.
Posted by auisssa
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 4:33 pm to
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For a long time, the Monaco field was limited to 16 cars


It was yesterday as well for 77 laps.
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 5:13 pm to
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I mean while we're at it let's bring back different tire manufacturers and refueling. Make F1 Great Again!


I think they look into using very soft tires at Monaco that would require multiple pit stops.
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 8:35 pm
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 5:36 pm to
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Albon:
"It's annoying because he had pace, he had so much pace," Albon said about Tsunoda after the race. "I was like, we can all manage, I'm happy to manage. We don't need to manage this much. We were managing so much. I was like, 'Man, I could get out and drive my Vespa around here.'

"I mean, it was so slow. It was so painful. It's actually hard to stay focused when you're driving that slowly because you're just not even near anything. You're not near any limit. He absolutely cleared off at the end of the race, and I was like, 'You could have done this the whole time!'"


I was on Yuki's onboard the whole race, so I have some perspective about Albon's comments. After the red flag, I thought Yuki had a chance to move up because it looked like Russell, Verstappen, and Hamilton would have to pit at some point because they switched to mediums. So I thought Yuki would try to stay within pit stop range. But the team decided that they were just going to hold station, and told Yuki to go slow to preserve the tires. Yuki went so slow, about 1:20 lap times vs. maybe 1:17 average lap times from the leaders, that near the end of the race he went a lap down on Hamilton, the guy just in front of him.

In the latter parts in the race, the team told Yuki he can push again because the tires were in good shape, but then they became concerned that Albon's gap to Gasly was getting big enough that Albon could get a free pit stop during a safety car. So they told him to slow down again to manage Albon's gap to Gasly. Albon stayed on Yuki's arse almost the whole race, until the last few laps when he eased off.

I think it was when Albon eased off, Yuki's team told him that he was free, but I think they cautioned him to not overdo it. But Yuki started whipping off personal fast lap after fast lap, and on the last lap of the race he did a 1:14.720. Hamilton had the fast lap of the race of 1:14.165, which he did on Lap 64 with 12 laps on his hards. Yuki did his fast lap with 76 laps on his hards. Only three others did a lap time in the 1:14 range: Sainz, Verstappen, and Zhou who put on softs at the end of the race to try to get the fast lap but came up short at 1:14.718 (which is pretty funny, new softs and he barely beat Yuki with 76 laps on hards).

This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 5:44 pm
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 5:53 pm to
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indycars arent spec
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They are 100% spec cars with approved parts they can use.

Almost, but not 100%. Dampers are open to development. This is a not-visible but key way for teams to differentiate performance. This probably gives Penske an edge since he's had a racing shock company for years.

racer.com/2017/11/03/indycar-dampers-to-remain-open-for-development/

the-race.com/indycar/indycars-hidden-development-war-explained/
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 5:54 pm
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
1139 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:23 pm to
Indycar has 2 engine manufacturers- not a spec series

plus the ability to develop dampers and a few other components of the car

Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
1139 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:28 pm to
[quote]Why didn't one of the teams try a high downforce setup? Is it because it's a spec series and each team is required to run the same aero?[/quote

because the mandated chassis that came out in 2018- the IR-18 significantly reduced downforce compared to the cars of the previous era .

Theres a video from Racer with Sebastien Bourdais who drove in the v-10 era (the last true era or F1) who said that those cars running at higher boost levels would rival the back of the f1 field from 2015-2016

That is incredible for an Indycar

Now that the indycar hybrids will be pushing 1000hp and a new chassis is about to be developed they will probably be the fastest single seater cars on road courses when F1 shoots themselves in the foot with the 2026 cars
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:49 pm to
LINK

wouldnt put it past liberty media
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29861 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:00 pm to
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I'm open to an explanation on what I'm missing


Some of us are nerds and enjoy the engineering battles that can take seasons to play out. These cars are magnificent machines that take hundreds of millions of dollars and immense brain power to make. F1 can be a slow burn, both over the course of a race and over the course of season or three. It's the same with endurance racing. Some weekends you get chaos, and other weekends you get snoozers.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:15 pm to
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Indycar has 2 engine manufacturers- not a spec series




Being able to change the shocks/valving does not change the fact they are spec cars.

And the two engine choices are regulated.

Nascar is a now a spec series as well.
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 8:17 pm
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
1139 posts
Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:29 pm to
I wouldn’t call Scott Mansell an expert in Indycar… Indycar is not a spec series

F2 is spec
Indy NXT is spec

Nascar, Super Formula and Indycar are not spec
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