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re: 2021 NASCAR Season Thread - 2021-22 OFFSEASON
Posted on 3/22/21 at 7:32 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Posted on 3/22/21 at 7:32 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Idk who downvoted you but cheating and getting away with it is a vital part of being successful in this sport and always has been 
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Posted on 3/22/21 at 8:36 pm to Wishnitwas1998
True.
But Hendrick is a crook in addition to being a regular cheat like the rest of them.
But Hendrick is a crook in addition to being a regular cheat like the rest of them.
Posted on 3/22/21 at 9:14 pm to Tigertown in ATL
How is Hendrick a crook? I'm not aware of this
Posted on 3/22/21 at 9:17 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Chad Knaus is smarter than NASCAR, which makes it easier to cheat. Him being in charge of the Henrdick cars now is no coincidence they're all rocket ships to start the year.
This post was edited on 3/22/21 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 3/22/21 at 10:38 pm to broadhead
He was a slimy car dealership owner.
Part of the reason I always pulled against his teams.
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Hendrick is among 23 defendants who have either pleaded guilty or been convicted in federal court in connection with the government’s ongoing investigation into corruption at American Honda. Hendrick’s brother, John, who was charged with conspiracy, paid a $120,000 fine.
The scandal grew out of trade policies in the 1980s, when the Japanese government, under U.S. pressure, limited exports to the United States.
Honda franchises brought big profits, as dealers could sell the cars for thousands more than their sticker prices. Honda executives, taking advantage of the demand, solicited bribes from dealerships in exchange for new dealerships and extra shipments of cars.
In all, Honda employees accepted $15 million in bribes and kickbacks, including cash, cars, real estate and jewelry, prosecutors say.
Hendrick’s name surfaced in the government’s investigation almost three years ago when a federal prosecutor in New Hampshire accused Hendrick of giving cash payments and gifts to Honda executives in exchange for favorable treatment.
Hendrick acknowledged giving hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, BMWs and houses to Honda executives. But he said he didn’t receive anything in return.
Hendrick said it was his generosity with friends, not a desire for personal gain, that sucked him into the scandal.
Part of the reason I always pulled against his teams.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:32 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Part of the reason I always pulled against his teams.
Same. Him and Chad.
Sadly, I like his drivers.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:15 am to Tigertown in ATL
Chad was an exceptional douche as well. And Jimmie was just so bland early on. I never warmed up to Jimmy, but I have finally come around on Gordon decades later. And Junior too. The new generation seems pretty good as well and I liked watching Larson when he was with Ganassi.
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Posted on 3/23/21 at 7:18 am to broadhead
quote:Early did a great job of explaining this briefly a few posts up. If you want to know more, check out the book Arrogance and Accords: The Inside Story of the Honda Scandal.
How is Hendrick a crook? I'm not aware of this
There were cases where American auto dealers were paying the mortgages for Honda executives in order to get favorable dealership locations. Hendrick paid a large sum of money in order to be given the northeast Atlanta market (Gwinnett Place Honda), as well as get more cars to his dealerships than other dealers.
He was charged in December 1996 with 13 counts of money laundering, one count of conspiracy and one count of mail fraud. He plead guilty to the mail fraud charge and the government dropped the other charges. Just a month before the indictments, he was diagnosed with leukemia, and so when he was sentenced, he was given home confinement instead of prison time. I think it was about 2 years later he announced he was in remission.
Hendrick (who had donated large sums of money to the Reagan and HW Bush campaigns), became a major donor to the Clinton Presidential library, and Clinton then pardoned him before leaving office in 2000.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 8:12 am to PJinAtl
I’m probably in the minority, but I don’t think Rick Hendrick is all bad. I think the team plane crash really changed him. He seems to really care about the people working for him. Look at the way he became like a father figure to Dale Jr.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 8:44 am to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:I will agree there. I don't see how the crash wouldn't have changed him. He lost his son (along with his brother and nieces).
I think the team plane crash really changed him. He seems to really care about the people working for him. Look at the way he became like a father figure to Dale Jr.
But, I think that drive to win at all costs is still in him, and it goes back to his early time in NASCAR when the "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'" mentality was common. I think he is fine with turning a blind eye to breaking the rules to get a competitive advantage as long as it doesn't draw too much attention.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 8:51 am to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:
don’t think Rick Hendrick is all bad. I
Probably isn’t and I probably need to lighten up.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 8:57 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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I’m probably in the minority, but I don’t think Rick Hendrick is all bad. I think the team plane crash really changed him. He seems to really care about the people working for him. Look at the way he became like a father figure to Dale Jr.
Probably correct. He upset a lot of people when him and Gordon took over and it's taken a long time to led that fade.
He's done a lot to help people out of his way.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 8:58 am
Posted on 3/23/21 at 10:38 am to PJinAtl
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early time in NASCAR when the "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'" mentality was common. I think he is fine with turning a blind eye to breaking the rules to get a competitive advantage as long as it doesn't draw too much attention.
This isn’t exclusive to any time period in NASCAR, it has been the case as long as NASCAR has existed. From the beginning til now, just listen to any guess on Dale Jr’s podcast. Doesn’t matter what era they are from they will ask them about stories of “bending” the rules and the guest will have them
Just last week Todd Parrott was talking about literally breaking the template piece NASCAR had so it would fit the car, his hayday was the late 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. They all do it as they should, it’s part of the sport
Posted on 3/23/21 at 11:31 am to Wishnitwas1998
Looks like another washout for the dirt race this Sunday.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:07 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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But Hendrick is a crook in addition to being a regular cheat like the rest of them.
There's a Jeff Gordon and Everham video that I watched where Everham was saying how great of a team they had put together. Everham said he couldn't repeat that success when he left Hendrick because he couldn't get away with the things he got away with at Hendrick.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:22 pm to Zephyrius
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Everham said he couldn't repeat that success when he left Hendrick because he couldn't get away with the things he got away with at Hendrick.
Yeah, or maybe it was b/c he wasn't paying much attention to one drugged out driver b/c he was too busy having sex with his other driver
Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:25 pm to prostyleoffensetime
Evernham got caught banging developmental driver Erin Crocker about the same time his teams performance dropped off. Mayfield exposed it when their whole blow up
Happened, big ordeal you can google. I think they are married now
Happened, big ordeal you can google. I think they are married now
Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:21 pm to Wishnitwas1998
After some googling, I vaguely remember it. Damn that’s wild
Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:32 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Evernham got caught banging developmental driver Erin Crocker about the same time his teams performance dropped off. Mayfield exposed it when their whole blow up Happened,
I remember this like yesterday because I was a huge Elliott Sadler fan. He was a top 15 driver with an occasional win at Yates, then Robert started having health issues and the performance dropped so he left for Evernham to replace Mayfield. Right after he moved there Evernham got busted and their performance tanked. Everyone was shitting on Sadler for it but it was clearly an organizational issues that led to the the decline of his performance - I was praying that he'd have gotten one last shot at a top team but it never opened up for him as everything collapsed.
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