re: 12 year old pitcher throwing 80 mph

I know we have all been told this our whole lives but there is literally nothing that supports this. It was just societies common consensus never rooted in research and data. Only thing people have found that’s not just neutral or insignificant looking into this is it’s actually possibly detrimental because they don’t build the muscle for when they eventually start throwing violent wipeout sliders

Studies have tried to prove your thinkjng is true A LOT and never had any success or beyond statistical insignificance

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Your last point was what i was getting at with how clubs handle guys coming back from TJ

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this is a whole other shite show

doctors that have no background, experience or frankly any clue on how to restore the physical traits giving post surgery return to throw routines.

telling players they can throw before they have fully restored mobility and strength in the limb.

its stupid and in many places years behind.

Also suggesting they have to wait to 14 is stupid what if they are very talented and have high goals? Should they just get shellacked because every hitter sits on fastball every time until steelersdawg says ok you can throw 3 curves a game now until you’re 25

Personally I think the splitter is vastly underrated and under thought to youths. It’s made a major comeback in mlb because they learn it in the minors. I was a mid pitcher but used a splitter and it made me a lot better, it also doesn’t have really any violent jerk like breaking pitches unless it’s an altered version

I mean idk if you just chose to reply to me because I was bottom post but I’m very much clearly in agreement with you

Meh it just depends I’ve seen middle schoolers throw 80-82 and never get to 88 I’ve seen high school freshmen hit 78 barely in a few years are mid 90s

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pitcher nicknamed “Big Dummy”

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I had no idea Lamont Sanford threw the heat.

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I know it's not a popular opinion, but elbow injuries have been a problem for the last 10-15 years. And IMO, it starts at the youth level. You can't have kids snapping off curves when they are 8-9-10 years old and their elbows are nowhere near developed yet. It should be fastballs and change-ups until they are at least 13. You are right that sliders don't put the pressure on the elbow that curves/splits do, but I would still be hesitant to have any kid that young attempt those.

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curve and slider dont put any more either.

and curve/slider etc have been thrown since mid 80s

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What is also a problem is pitching every pitch at 100% effort

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you are right but its more because they dont have the muscle to support that nor the on ramp to support it.

problem is more they never throw with intent during practice...i.e. pull downs and long toss then want to go on the mount and throw as hard as they can

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Coaches/orginazations are too hung up in on velo over actually pitching/location

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because velo matters man. all you have to do is go look at the stats vs velo. from ll to mlb....velo is the #1 determining factor on HHA against

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pitch at 80-90% capacity and only go full effort when necessary.

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i agree with this but you have to build where your 90% is faster than everyone you play against 100% or you atleast build until you are still in the top 10%



but the much much much bigger problem is lack of muscle and strength compared to previous generations. We have had pitch counts, time off, etc etc for 2 decades now and its only gotten worse

doctors keep doubling down saying its overuse and the problems keep getting worse and worse

maybe the problem isnt as simple as overuse and we should stop screaming that. maybe its underuse and being under prepared for the demands of the game situations. Got kids cant do a pull up going out and throwing with all out intent....that is a problem. got kids that cant do 5 proper pushups at 12 getting on the bump.

kids need to throw more i.e. long toss more and need to on ramp slower to high intent throwing

they need to start lifting weights at a very early age. We got parent who will send their kid out to get crushed by older kids in tackle football but wont let their kids lift weights because of being uneducated and believing in myths that it stunts growth or in baseball makes one muscle bound etc

we need kids to take arm care seriously if you are a serious athlete, even at early ages

need kids and parent to start taking sleep and nutrition serious if they want to prevent these things.


got high school kids all over who say their goals are to play professional ball but they dont prepare like a professional.

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And this is an issue.

We are teaching kids that velo/overpowering is more important than locating and actually pitching.

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velo is more important sorry but it is

want to know why so many kids quit baseball after 12 when it moves to the big field???

because they are completely unprepared for the demands because people like you say....oh just have fun and learn to just throw strikes or just put the ball in play and the kids never train to improve their arm strength or their bat speed and suddenly.....they cant throw the ball from 3rd to first and they cant hit it out the infeild

they step on the mound and they are 13 throwing 65 poo right down the middle that kids are treating like BP and crushing.

what your suggesting is a sure fire way to be out the game before high school....but hey they didnt get hurt though.

just like the kids that are juniors in HS and going to a showcase to get up there and throw 78 poo right down the middle.

sorry you dont think velo is important and sorry you are wrong...but you are and quicker you accept that better off you will be

now go ahead and bring up maddox so i can tell you he has even admitted that velo got him his shot because he was throwing 96/97 in high school.

Yes, I just hit reply. It wasn’t directed at you.