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re: Will these tariffs be a death blow for some small businesses?

Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9242 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:20 pm to
Unfortunately, there’s no one single data repository that manages to capture it all.

So you are forced to extrapolate a bit.

Domestic producers who sell product in the United States are expected to file a report with the TTB every year. Unfortunately, it is a bit of a lagging indicator. Meaning we’re only just now starting to see the 2024 data.

Distributors who import products are expected to file as well.

Even that has its problems. The reporting is self-reported and probably not as closely monitored as you might expect. Technically, as a producer, you don’t necessarily have to report product that is still unsold and the same is true with the distributors in some instances.

There’s also an inherent problem in that it sort of lumps alcohol be at spirits, cider, wine or beer is being equivalent per gallon. There are different tax rates associated with the different alcohol percentages, but that is not made very transparent to the public. So the number they present is an aggregate of alcohol gallons which can be composed of different beverages.

There is retail trend data. This is pretty reliable as it uses Fintech. It shows what is going to big box retailers and liquor stores plus other outlets like gas stations. Only what’s going in; not what’s going out.

The fly in the ointment of all this is the small independent producer who doesn’t distribute and sells mostly direct to consumer through their tasting room or tap house. They aren’t captured by retail data at all.

From the retail data, we do know that alcohol sales are flat or in decline. Wine is down again; same with cider and craft beer. The only segment showing growth in the past year has actually been imported beer. Modelo overtaking Bud as Americas favorite beer.

From the TTB data, we do know that that small independent guy is really hurting right now. That’s why so many are closing. Their gallons reported have shown huge reductions.

You can also look at the number of producer licenses, which are either being terminated or not renewed. This is the story I’m watching over the next 24 months.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 3:30 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85616 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:51 pm to
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and coffee


Columbia taking people back is part of them not getting hit hard with tariffs.


Not sure about other places coffee comes from. But it shouldn’t really be more coming from Columbia rt now.



And under Biden small businesses were hit hard. I saw price increases of up to 70%.


Everything from your electric bill to your trash pick up went up. High energy costs fricking blows. If we can keep that low, it will help businesses.

This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 8:57 pm
Posted by KennytheTiger
bella vista ar
Member since Apr 2012
469 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:27 am to
Thanks for typing a lot of words I scrolled right past
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Why are you at the adults table ?
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
35392 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:23 pm to
I’ve read this thread and it’s crazy how much disruption there has been and we’re STILL letting Mexico and Canada flood our roads with non-citizen truck drivers. It’s destroying the trucking industry and stealing good paying jobs from Americans and nobody even knows about it. So importers are getting taxed on the goods but we’re still letting Mexicans deliver those goods in astonishing volume at 40% of the wage. It seems more logical to start by taking those 50k+ jobs back and helping Americans immediately.
Posted by IMSA_Fan
Member since Jul 2024
565 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:34 pm to
Aren’t there a massive shortage of truckers? I don’t buy the stealing jobs angle at on this one
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:35 pm
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
35392 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:38 pm to
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Aren’t there a massive shortage of truckers?
No, and even if there were I say we see what wage it takes to motivate someone to do a job. FYI I’m the source on this one. This has been my entire career.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:40 pm
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148124 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 11:15 am to
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Aren’t there a massive shortage of truckers? I don’t buy the stealing jobs angle at on this one
im all for offering visas to Punjabi Sikhs if there is a need that can't be met with Americans. Every one I've met out west has been hard working, competent, and based af.


And who isn't a fan of a good vindaloo?
Posted by LSUShock
Kansas
Member since Jun 2014
5542 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 1:15 pm to
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No businesses like that around me. Sounds like maybe something you'd find in larger metros.


Are you from KC, MO like your title says.

If so, you are surrounded by a lot more of this than you realize. Champion Teamwear, Gear for Sports, Branded Custom, S&S Sportswear, just to name a few.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21303 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 1:56 pm to
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Are you from KC, MO like your title says.


no. It is the closest major metro, though.
Posted by LSUShock
Kansas
Member since Jun 2014
5542 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 3:49 pm to
Go to importinfo.com and type in your city. More importers than you ever realized are around you.
Posted by Stamps74
Member since Nov 2017
1339 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 6:40 am to
Multiple sites say there is a trucker shortage.
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