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re: Why do ppl hate billionaires?

Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:13 am to
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:13 am to
I do not have a problem with their wealth, I have a problem with what they are able to do with their wealth. Namely affect and change policy, law to directly benefit them. Which does not necessarily benefit the rest of the citizens of this country. So you repeat that process thousands of times by super wealthy individuals and you get what we have today with the increasingly widening wealth gap between the haves and have nots.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:32 am to
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I have a problem with what they are able to do with their wealth


Do you know what Bezos does with his philanthropy. The arrogance of people who make snap assumptions against others disgusts me.

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So you repeat that process thousands of times by super wealthy individuals and you get what we have today with the increasingly widening wealth gap between the haves and have nots.


Bezos and Gates philanthropy can never change the wealth gap. Who sold you that bull shite?
It is the common marxist play to rile up young and easily influenced "useful idiots". Making a few rich people more poor never fixes true poverty.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:05 am to
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Bezos and Gates philanthropy can never change the wealth gap



No, but Bezos does have a position where he could lead on increasing wages for his low, line level employees, which could in theory drive up market wages in places there are Amazon facilities. I think overall, Amazon does pay fairly well, but there have also been reports of pretty bad working conditions and toxic environments.

And I don't hate Bezos. He started a great company that has provided an important service. He should be handsomely rewarded for that. I don't think philanthropy excuses away the disparity in wages within a billionaire's company though.
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:20 am to
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No, but Bezos does have a position where he could lead on increasing wages for his low, line level employees, which could in theory drive up market wages in places there are Amazon facilities. I think overall, Amazon does pay fairly well, but there have also been reports of pretty bad working conditions and toxic environments.


He would be bashed raising home prices. Just look how they reacted to Amazon bringing all those jobs to NY. They were upset about the potential increase in home prices. Bezos and the like will be bashed no matter what they do.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:34 am to
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I have a problem with what they are able to do with their wealth. Namely affect and change policy, law to directly benefit them


This is not something new. Anytime humans are involved so is human nature.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:49 am to
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Most of his wealth is still in company stock so he can control manage and direct said company

And here lies the problem with the average American. They do not understand that someone having a net worth over a billion dollars, does not mean they have that money sitting in a bank account or safe deposit box. They don't walk around with a few hundred thousand on their person at any time. Their money is tied up in assets that are continuing to make them even more money.

Also, because the average American is beyond lazy and doesn't understand the concept that business owners & executives make more than the average hourly worker because they are paid for their risks, knowledge & expertise.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:50 am to
I'm not a Marxist. I would just prefer we return to the taxation system the US had constructed post WW2. Which is when America was truly great
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:56 am to
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So you repeat that process thousands of times by super wealthy individuals and you get what we have today with the increasingly widening wealth gap between the haves and have nots.


The wealth gap will always be increasing. If someone with $1B has a +1% year that is a gain of $10M.

If someone making $20K has a +500% year that is a gain of $100k. The wealth gap has increased by $9.9M even though the % change was 500x.

There is too much focus on the income/wealth gap. The lower income earners in 2020 US have a better quality of life than 99% of humans that have ever lived on Earth.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 8:57 am
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:58 am to
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I would just prefer we return to the taxation system the US had constructed post WW2.






Don't get me wrong you have a little bit of a point but it isn't this magical 90% tax rate that is thrown out there. I just hope if there are tax increases on the "wealthy" it is truly the wealthy not just upper middle class.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 9:01 am
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
14214 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:08 am to
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Jealousy is a big reason, but not the biggest.

The single biggest reason is the "pie fallacy" as I like to call it. This is the idea that there is X amount of money to be had. If someone has too many pieces of the pie, that means there is little or none left for everyone else.

This is propagated by those stoking the flames of class warfare. It makes it very easy for those without to justify their position in life because the evil rich man took all the money and didn't leave any for everyone else.




This x1000000

Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
14214 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:10 am to
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I'm not a Marxist. I would just prefer we return to the taxation system the US had constructed post WW2. Which is when America was truly great



Were we great because of tax rates
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15754 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:11 am to
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If I were to have 5 minutes with Jeff bezos I’d have no fear telling him what I would do if I were him


Yea, because what you have done in life is create a company that has already done so much to change the world. I'm sure YOU are the exact person that he would listen to on what to do with stock in HIS company.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
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Member since Mar 2012
6039 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:12 am to
Agreed. I think a lot of the narrative about taxing the one percent is misguided. The one percent of wealth in this nation are the doctor down the road or the partner in a small engineering firm. I am more interested in taxing people who have attained enormous wealth in the hundreds of millions category. Those people are actively shaping our government for their benefit which I have a problem with. Government is suppose to serve its' constituents not the few, wealthy elite who can buy a senator
Posted by AUHighPlainsDrifter
South Carolina
Member since Sep 2017
3213 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:13 am to
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This x1000000


That's also jealousy. It's just jealousy in a perceived zero sum game.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 9:17 am
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11843 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:25 am to
When we start taxing the wealthy on net worth. The upper middle and middle class will inevitably be paying that tax. Name a single time this hasn't happened?
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:34 am to
I can't name a time the US taxed net worth but in general it always does. Those who make above average but not complete F you money always feel the brunt of taxes.

Not that this is the political board but I am staunchly against any wealth tax (hope you didn't read that into my post). I personally support expanding sales tax and shrinking income taxes.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3766 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:29 am to
My 3 opinions on things through reading this-

1. Absolutely I'm jealous, but I ain't mad at the guy for what he has. We make a fine, comfortable household income, but we still have to save and plan for big purchases and vacations. I'd love the freedom to be able to just do whatever, whenever. I have absolutely come to terms and am comfortable with the FACT that I could double my income if I REALLY wanted to...but the reality of the sacrifices that I would have to make just aren't really attractive, at least not while I have kids in middle school.

2. I absolutely don't like the fact that Amazon is worth what it is, but still has employees receiving government assistance. I knowingly say that without a thought out solution, but it doesn't seem right.

3. The idea that some Americans have a head start....and equating that to them being white, from 2 parent households, having college educated parents, etc. You can't honestly deny that 'head start,' but its only an unfair thing if you assume the finish line is some finite thing. Like, the first one to 1,000,000 net worth is the winner and gets everything. EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. born in this country has the opportunity to rise above the circumstances they were born in to. The finish line is what needs to be viewed differently. If your kids' lives are better than yours through your hard work in your professional life and your commitment and dedication to them personally, YOU WIN.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44885 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:49 pm to
What data are you using for your theory? Generally, people respect self made individuals. The animosity comes from, for example, the USC scandal. Rich kids who are too dumb to gain acceptance to a college, yet their parents buy them in. That takes up a spot some poor kid in Appalachia or an inner city kid could have got who has the brains.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
79071 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:51 pm to
They don't know the difference between wealth and liquidity.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
8000 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:25 pm to
Not a single one of those people who bitch and moan about Bezos' wealth would be complaining if they woke up tomorrow with $1B.
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