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re: What's fair reimbursement of time for working 1/2 day on weekend?

Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:41 pm to
Posted by CheEngineer
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2019
4234 posts
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:41 pm to
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My current rule of thumb is essentially you can take twice the time you worked during the weekend off the following week. So if you work 4 hours Saturday you can take Monday off.


Sign me up. Hell we are lucky to get anything or we get 2:1 work Saturday & Sunday ok you can have Monday off.
Posted by LSU6262
Member since Jun 2008
7492 posts
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:54 pm to
I'm trying to figure out what their gripe is?

Posted by AaronDeTiger
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2014
1558 posts
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:52 pm to
What's the position entail? I wouldn't mind having a weekend off every couple months.
Posted by AaronDeTiger
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2014
1558 posts
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:55 pm to
The way we handle it is, "I need you to work Saturday. If not, I don't need you next week."
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 9:55 pm
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
9280 posts
Posted on 6/11/20 at 9:59 pm to
Yeah that’s how my company is. And I don’t mean it in a bad way.

You are expected to work when your told you need to work. If not they will find someone else who will. They pay well enough that they can make those rules.

And I’m a guy that has to put in 4-5 hours a Saturday every 4th Saturday. I knew it was a requirement when I took the job.
Posted by Stexas
SWLA
Member since May 2013
6000 posts
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:15 pm to
Are they salary exempt? Life is about decisions. They can decide if they want to work or not. If they say no to weekends then they choose to not work for you.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 10:28 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20448 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 4:45 am to
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Not the best attitude from you there. Just saying.

Weekends are tough when it's mostly a Monday-Friday gig. I'm not saying your policy isn't fair or that it's wrong but Saturday is a tough one for a lot of people to give up. Especially if they have kids.


Certainly but that’s why I’m here. I’m looking for opinions. I’m well aware it’s not ideal, I do it routinely. But as I said this was discussed at hiring and was well known we aren’t a M-F business.

As said above, I’m offering 8 hours for 4 off. I don’t mind if it’s the following Friday so they get a 3 days weekend. I was offering Monday just so they had 2 days off. But either way I’m fairly flexible.

I also don’t really ever require nights or any other odd or on on call hours Or travel. At some point, people have to just suck it up and work. There’s not many jobs out there where you literally only work 8-5 M-F and are home every night for dinner.

My main reason was to see if there was some sort of other compensation people received. Pay, well that’s part of the job on hiring as said. So I can’t come up with anything but time.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 4:46 am
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9359 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:15 am to
Are they salary/exempt? If so, are you rock solid with that classification?

Assuming you aren’t setting a trap for yourself in that regard, I think what you’re doing sounds fair. Not sure of the field, but the reality is that managers in a ton of fields have to work weekends whether from the office or from home.

From personal experience, I would say that folks want two things with regards to weekend work: fair compensation and advanced notice.

One of my biggest gripes with my wife’s job (nurse) has been their shitty on-call practices - if she’s on-call, it means we have to line up child care. If she doesn’t get called in, it’s a huge headache because we sometimes have a babysitter lined up but then don’t need them. The pay she gets for being “on-call” without actually getting called in doesn’t compensate us for this. I’m not sure whether this applies to your business, but just something to keep in mind. If you’re asking someone to be available on the weekend but don’t end up needing them, you should (IMO) still make it worth their while.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35541 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:24 am to
I think your practice is fair.

The problem is the way many employees think and they're right to some degree. Working four hours on a Saturday isn't just fours and the attitude from them is probably that the day for them as a personal day is shot.

I like the idea of offering the following Friday for a three day weekend.

Good luck. Employees can be great or they can be a pain in the arse.
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
2899 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:26 am to
If we ask people to work on a Saturday, we will either pay them time and a half or give them cash and reimburse ourselves.
Posted by GeauxBlonde
Member since Feb 2013
170 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:28 am to
As others have said, you need to identify flsa status and how this would work into overtime hours if they are non-exempt/hourly. You absolutely cannot offer them comp time in exchange for overtime pay... that is what most of us who mentioned flsa status are getting at. Just because they are "managers" doesn't mean they would pass an flsa audit with that exempt classification.

You should have a weekend rotation/policy- make sure it is clear and sets expectations. I know, I know, you probably hate policies... but every employer tries to do this type of thing to be "generous" and "simple" and it always, ALWAYS ends in chaos.

Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27824 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 12:15 pm to
Clarify is it just one person working a morning shift or one working the morning and one working the afternoon? Why not just make it permanent for one person? That way it doesn’t throw everyone else off. I’m sure someone who loves to hunt and fish would love a weekday off when no one else is out there or when the kids aren’t home from school.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 1:28 pm to
Childcare was my exact thought as to why employees might find this problematic. If it's regularly scheduled, then they can arrange for day care, friends, babysitter, etc. But an irregular schedule is havoc on sitter planning, esp if you are relying on paid weekend daycare: for which you generally have to pay, whether you use it or not.

I'd just make the Saturdays part of someone's standard schedule. Figure out who bitches least about it, and make it part of his/her job. It's not a rotating thing--it just becomes an official part of Ed's work.

If these folks aren't salaried/exempt, then you can't swap out comp time for what should be paid as overtime.
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2515 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:39 pm to
What you are offering isn't a bad deal but if I were the employee I would only see it as a benefit if I got to work a full 8 hour shift on the weekend and then could take two days off. To me, if you only need me for 4 hours on a Saturday, then you really didn't need me that bad anyways and you have messed up my weekend.
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2515 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:44 pm to
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The issue is I need someone management worthy to work 12-4 ish on Saturdays. Its once a month for the most part occasionally twice. I know ruining a Saturday sucks being middle of the day. I want people to have 2 days of weekends and not get burned out. So yes I'm pretty pissed that people aren't even happy. But I also want to be fair and employees happy.


An 8am-12pm shift wouldn't be terrible since they could have the rest of their Saturday off, but making a management level employee come in at noon and stay till 4pm for only 4 hours of work is going to get old, especially during football season. You will start to lose good management level talent over something like that unless you are paying well above market rate in salary.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35541 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 5:06 pm to
Exactly. To the owner it’s a four hour shift. To the employee their Saturday is blown as far as they are concerned.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3796 posts
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:38 pm to
I think the idea of offering the next Friday off (at their choice) is a big advantage for working 4 hours on a Saturday. Yeah it sucks, but getting a 3 day weekend in exchange for 4 hours on Saturday, that’s known well in advance, is a pretty solid deal.

Do they know they can swap the day around? Getting a Monday off is nice on occasion, but a lot of things are also closed on Monday (many hair salons, golf courses, etc.).

As mentioned as well, perhaps you could discuss with one of your employees who enjoys the Saturday working if they want to make it full time. Perhaps they’d rather be off Sunday/Monday every week. Or swap a Wed for the Saturday, etc. You’d still need to find a backup for when that person can’t work, but at least it would be much less often.
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