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re: Weekly Stock Market Plays/Thoughts - March/April

Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:07 am to
Posted by jerryc436
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:07 am to
dabigfella
Please do not keep your input to yourself.
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Posted by dualed
Member since Sep 2010
4779 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:48 am to
Can someone explain to me what this means? I have one day trade left right now and I've never seen this message before.



I should note that I have not sold shares of RNN already today. Only thing I have done is sold shares from 2 separate stocks that I bought yesterday morning.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 11:50 am
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23512 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:59 am to
DBF: no one can disagree with anything you say. Your advice is quite vanilla. Blue chips and dividends....AAPL, TSLA, PM, V, WYNN.
So fricking enlightening.

It takes A LOT of money and many years to see substantial return in such mega cap stocks. It's boring, but it works long term. This is not so much a long term thread.

shite on pharmas all you want, but I'm in at $4.00 and still enjoying a 110% return. I can't do that in a week with WYNN, and I prefer not to equate basketball games with the amount of due diligence I've done on Aurinia Pharmaceuticals.

There's no reason to keep your input to yourself. People value what you have to say, and it is good advice. If someone wants to make 50% in a day from this thread let em try. It's happened frequently. No it's not "investing" in your precious blue chips, but it's money in their pocket nonetheless.
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Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:08 pm to
Lol o yea so 100% return 3-4 years on a large cap like v or even 5% this week on Wynn and having Morgan Stanley reiterate my bull case that I posted on tigerdroppings weeks earlier is amateur stuff? Lol, damn I should be an asset manager if that's the case. It's ok man I'm not even gonna bother debating you, you're clearly a kid bc nobody with any real money is gonna waste time trading those dogshite microcaps.what about tesla today? Damn the 2 plays I named Sunday based on setups killed it this week for large caps vs the market and you still wanna be an arse
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Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23512 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:22 pm to
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Lol o yea so 100% return 3-4 years on a large cap like v or even 5% this week on Wynn and having Morgan Stanley reiterate my bull case that I posted on tigerdroppings weeks earlier is amateur stuff?
It's not amateur, but it's certainly not as amazing as you think it is. Do you know how many times I've wanted to buy WYNN from $50 to $100? You're right, I just don't have the capital to profit from it. I'm a teacher. You're gas station and ATM owner.

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you're clearly a kid bc nobody with any real money is gonna waste time trading those dogshite microcaps
ad hominem, and also wrong. People with real money actually buy micro caps. There you go with generalizations again.You do not own a monopoly on ways to make money. You do understand that, don't you?
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what about tesla today
4%...

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Damn the 2 plays I named Sunday based on setups killed it this week for large caps vs the market and you still wanna be an arse

Cool. I take it you're one of those who's never wrong.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:27 pm to
Lol wow 5% yesterday on Wynn and 4% today on tesla with no earnings on either in a down market and you're still not impressed.....you're a tough guy to please, glad I don't handle your portfolio. Btw you're generalizing me bc i some shopping centers,fast food, and residential properties as well, hate just being labeled the gas station guy, I'm more of a real estate guy in general fwiw.
Posted by dualed
Member since Sep 2010
4779 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:28 pm to
Would y'all shake your dicks and stop this pissing contest for a second to answer my post?
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:32 pm to
You made too many daytrades you're gonna get a fed call if you go through and have 7 days to fulfill it by sending cash over or they restrict your account to cash only moves and 3 day settlement basically your margin goes away till you fulfill the call or wait 90 days
Posted by dualed
Member since Sep 2010
4779 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:40 pm to
I haven't exceeded the day trade limit though. This is where I am currently.

Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34094 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:47 pm to
Robinhood sent me something similar. Something about 1 more day trade in a certain period,and Ill be labeled a day trader. I'm not sure what I can do. I'm just taking a break this week.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23512 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:53 pm to
I've never used my margin. Sorry.

I bet that someone on r/robinhood can help you.
Posted by cuyahoga tiger
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:11 pm to
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LINK


Interesting reading on last nights AUPH cash infusion and forward outlook.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11517 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:25 pm to
Guys please stop bickering. Keep that on the OT lounge. I promise you 99% of the people reading this thread want everyones advice and opinion.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:36 pm to
Im not gonna bicker with bayoubengals ever again, I just learned today that 3-5% moves in legitimate companies are not a big deal and only significant moves in microcap stocks are what this thread was intended to discuss. If anyone wants to discuss real stocks and real valuations we should probably do it in another thread bc I dont have any 100%/week magic tricks to give you.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11517 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:38 pm to
Don't leave bigfella. All advice is welcome. A bunch of us play both large and small cap companies.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:56 pm to
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5% yesterday on Wynn and 4% today on tesla with no earnings on either in a down market


truly that is nice work

but you can still make good money in bio/pharma
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:57 pm to
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but you can still make good money in bio/pharma


just not today
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 2:01 pm to
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I just learned today that 3-5% moves


i would take this everytime
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23512 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 3:19 pm to
Seeking Alpha

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1) Aurinia shares traded up to new all-time highs during the March 13 trading session, closing at $10.50/share on the back of heavy momentum.
2)That same day, management announced a secondary offering, which looks to raise ~$150 million by issuing 22.3 million shares at $6.75.
3)Understandably, the stock sold off from Monday's highs, but the situation for Aurinia has become much clearer going forward, with this dilution behind it.

Aurinia Pharmaceuticals Inc. (NASDAQ:AUPH) has been on a tear of late, soaring to a share price above $10 as of Monday, March 13, after hovering in the $2 to $4 range for several months. The large daily gains have been on the back of multiple positive results and press releases, described in more detail here. This article will focus primarily on the recent dilution, what it likely means for the company, and my takeaways from the situation.

The Offering and Market's Reaction
On March 14, the details of the offering were released. Aurinia is looking to issue about 22.3 million shares at a price of $6.75 to raise approximately ~$150.5 million. The underwriters also have the option to purchase an additional 3.345 million shares at likely the same price of $6.75 for up to 30 days. Assuming this option is exercised, that gives us a total of 25.645 million shares issued raising a total of $173.1 million. The dilution brings the total outstanding share count to ~83.4 million fully diluted, which takes into account the December 2016 equity offering of ~12.8 million shares at $2.25 per share.

Both times management has issued shares to raise capital, a market sell off occurred, and for understandable reasons. Each issuance was below the last day's closing price, however, I view this recent dilution in a much different way.

The December 2016 issuance was done at near all time share price lows, and as a result raised far less capital per share than the current raise. The choice to raise capital back in December was explained as a means to have the necessary cash on hand to get the phase 3 AURORA trial started on time, however, the subsequent CEO turnover and commentary from the new CEO, Dr. Glickman, puts some doubt as to whether it was the right time to doing secondary offerings.

Also, the December offering did not even come close to raising the necessary capital needed to get through phase 3 (management raised ~$28.75 million raised), which was previously discussed as being around $75 million needed for US development costs and another $75 million needed is Aurinia was to develop and license the drug themselves for international sales (Europe and Japan).

From my point of view, the lower amount raised in December seemed like it was done to raise just enough capital to get through the year, and perhaps gave some leeway towards having more negotiating power when discussing things like partnerships and licensing deals since they were now well capitalized for the rest of the year.

However, from my call with investor relations in December, it was repeated that the management team assembled at Aurinia has the experience and intent to pursue independent full development and commercialization of voclosporin. That made both the amount raised and timing a little questionable.

With the recent news of the secondary offering, the picture is a lot more clearer now. You want a management team who values its shares, and therefore looks to give up as few as possible to raise the amount they need to accomplish their goals. That makes issuing at all time highs the sensible choice, versus all time lows. Another point to add is that the idea to issue shares was likely decided well before Monday's close, making the price per share something that was determined prior to the huge run up in share price seen Monday.

Now, Aurinia will have enough capital to get through all of phase 3 for voclosporin development and licensing should the phase 3 trial succeed in the US, and have capital on hand to look into international development/licensing along with additional indication exploration. The amount raised definitely fits well with the idea that management is seeking to independently bring voclosporin to market themselves, at least in the US, and maximize their future revenue potential by solely owning the compound.
In my opinion, it shows Aurinia has a high degree of confidence in their drug, and has a plan to see it through marketing alone. This outlook might not be welcome by some who were hoping for a major partnership or buyout. Although a domestic partnership is unlikely with the news of the offering, a buyout could always be on the table should the premium be high enough.

On the topic of partnerships however, they are not often the best deal for an up and coming biotech for the long term. Although true that a partnership gives both immediate financial relief, capital, and confidence in a drug candidate for a small company, it also strips majority of the upside from the company who discovered the drug. This is because most partnerships are structured in such a way that the majority of future revenues from sales go to the larger partnering company, with low single digit to low double digit percentages of sales going to the junior biotech.
As a result, the smaller company may get a few hundred million in developmental milestones and a small stream of revenues from sales, but they easily lose all that they gained in milestone payments over the course of the first few years by giving up the lion's share of sales revenue.

Future Outlook Unchanged

Back in November, when I first wrote about Aurinia, I did not expect the significant jump in share price to happen so soon. Due to this, I was pricing out a situation where Aurinia issued shares at $2.00 to raise $75 million for domestic development of voclosporin. At that time, this quick estimate gave a total share count of ~82.5 fully diluted and only ~$75 million raised rather than ~$150 million. With future sales potential of over $1 billion per year, and a price to sales multiple of 1, this gave a potential share price of ~$15-18/share in the future.
Today, however, the picture is even better, fully diluted shares did come close to my estimate, but due to the recent jump in share price, the amount raised was double my initial expectations. From my standpoint, the view is better now than it was in November, and most of the financial uncertainty is now behind the company. For more details on upcoming catalysts, please see here.

Summary
With the raise behind us and the risk of dilution cleared up, it will be interesting to see where the share price settles over the next few days. Going forward, Aurinia is well capitalized with high expectations set as they start their phase 3 trial AURORA. Voclosporin looks like a promising candidate for the treatment of lupus nephritis in SLE, and the upcoming conferences should shed additional light on its benefits for treatment of this condition.

Although the risk of further secondary offerings is minimal in the short term, investors need to always remember that success of the company is highly dependent on the success of their phase 3 trial, and be aware of the risks associated with companies developing drug candidates. Trial success is never guaranteed, and neither is marketing approval. Unexpected events can not be ruled out, such as the deaths seen in the phase 2b trial (although unrelated to the drug), which can have a materially negative impact on share price and outlook.
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
8553 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 3:22 pm to
DBF --- keep doing what you do Brah. I try to weed through these dream chasers investing $500 at a time and these shite pharma stocks to read some valuable information such as yours, instead of blind speculation or a copy and paste from another board.

Bengals is just on edge because he has lost half of his original $300 investment.
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