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VFFSX info for 401k rollover

Posted on 12/29/23 at 9:11 am
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
7666 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 9:11 am
I recently started a new job and Im having to rollover my Lincoln Financial 403b that I was invested 100% in VINIX. New job has Vanguard 401k but only large option is VFFSX or Vanguard Institutional 500 Index Trust. Is this comparable to what I had? 40yrs old if that helps.
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 9:28 am
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3112 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:11 am to
Yes, it's comparable. They both seek to track the performance of the S&P 500 index. The net expense ratio for VFFSX (0.01%) is less than VINIX (0.035%), so you got that going for you.
Posted by whiskey over ice
Member since Sep 2020
3254 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:20 am to
you don't have to roll it over to your 401k fwiw. you could roll over to a traditional IRA and invest in pretty much whatever you want. same amount of paperwork
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2788 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 2:19 pm to
As Royalwe said they are comparable. The top ten holdings for both are very, very similar: Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Nivida, Alphabet, Meta, Tesla, Berkshire, and United Health.

Whiskey asked about rolling over to an IRA. That's what I'd do because you would have many more options.
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
7666 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:29 pm to
Would it not be better to roll it into a 401k so I can max it out yearly or would it be the same even though I can only max $6500 in a roth? Im confused on having to completely start over on the 401k.

My thought was to roll it over into current employer 401k plan and keep my post tax roth contributions rolling.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3112 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:00 pm to
I don't know what you mean about rolling it over into a 401k so you can max it out. How much you contribute to a 401k has nothing to do with rolling money into it. They are two different things.

The only reason you would roll it into your company's 401k is to take advantage of having more money in it if you use the "Rule of 55" to get money out without penalty if you decide to terminate employment and retire. Otherwise, you're better off rolling it into your own brokerage account so you can invest in whatever you want to.

You can split your combined contributions between a Roth and your 401k, but they can't exceed the maximum amount ($22.5K or $30K if 50 or older).
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20427 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:13 pm to
quote:


Would it not be better to roll it into a 401k so I can max it out yearly or would it be the same even though I can only max $6500 in a roth? Im confused on having to completely start over on the 401k.


What you do with your money from a previous 401k from a previous employer does not have anything to do with a future/ current employer.

You really don't generally want employer 401k's if you can get out of them, they generally have higher fees than a standard IRA account with one of your large brokerage firms like Vanguard, schwab, etc.

So your best bet is likely roll your old account into an IRA and then do whatever with your new one that is not related to your old account.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36013 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:52 pm to
I would roll it over to a traditional IRA. I don't think you can roll it over to a roth unless it was a roth 401k. You may can, but would have to pay taxes on it someway. But if you think you'll be in a higher taxes bracket when you retire it might be worth looking into.

Either way, in a roth or traditional you will be able to invest it in whatever you want. Where if you put in your new employer 401k you'll have to choose from what they offer.

Also it doesn't count against your IRA max for the year. Or your new 401k for the year. You'll still be able to put 6500 in that same IRA you roll it into for this year and max your new work 401k, if you want.

This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 8:55 pm
Posted by SurfOrYak
BR/MsDelta
Member since Jul 2015
402 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:12 pm to
You could move your IRA over to any investment company’s IRA. But Vanguard is at/near the top of the list of no load/low expense ratio mutual fund companies. Curious who has a legit reason for better rollover alternative than Vanguard?
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2118 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:35 pm to
Another reason to rollover to 401k is to facilitate backdoor Roth contributions if you ever exceed income limit for Roth IRA. Otherwise, you'd have to pay income tax on conversions from traditional IRA due to pro rata rule.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3112 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

Another reason to rollover to 401k is to facilitate backdoor Roth contributions if you ever exceed income limit for Roth IRA. Otherwise, you'd have to pay income tax on conversions from traditional IRA due to pro rata rule.
If the 401k is traditional (non-Roth) then you would pay income tax executing a backdoor Roth. If you have the money in a traditional IRA, you also pay income tax executing a backdoor Roth. There is no difference.
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
7666 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:18 am to
Seems like a dumb question, but if its a traditional IRA, how do you deposit non-taxed funds into the account? Is this linked to my check before uncle Sam gets to it?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20427 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 6:49 am to
quote:

Seems like a dumb question, but if its a traditional IRA, how do you deposit non-taxed funds into the account? Is this linked to my check before uncle Sam gets to it?


You never touch the money, it’s transferred directly from one retirement account with paperwork to another retirement account. It’s done all the time
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
7666 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 7:03 am to
But how do I deposit future funds if its suppose to be “pretax”?
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3112 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:56 am to
I believe you claim a tax deduction on your tax return for the amount you contribute.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36013 posts
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:59 pm to
I believe you claim a tax deduction on your tax return for the amount you contribute.

That's correct. It's easily done in tax software. Just have to make sure your report you contributed to an IRA and you'll get a bigger tax return, etc.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 11:00 pm
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