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Posted on 11/11/25 at 3:07 pm to TDFreak
Welp. That uptick didn’t last long. Back in the 7s.
Shell challenges arbitration decision on Venture Global LNG supply contracts
Shell challenges arbitration decision on Venture Global LNG supply contracts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:47 pm to TDFreak
So is this considered a buy at this point?
Obviously with money I’m willing to lose.
Obviously with money I’m willing to lose.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 6:06 pm to tomahawktechnician
LINK
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Today, Venture Global, Inc. (NYSE: VG) filed with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) its application for the permitting and approval of the Plaquemines LNG brownfield expansion project. In addition, Venture Global has filed with the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) for the export authorizations associated with this expansion.
quote:The LNG overbuild is real... another 4 bcf/d.
The Plaquemines Expansion was announced earlier this year with U.S. Secretary of Energy Chris Wright, U.S. Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum, and Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry. Venture Global has since increased the expected output from this project by nearly 40% from the previously announced plans due to the continued optimization of our liquefaction trains and strong market demand. This bolt-on expansion will be built incrementally in three phases and consist of 32 modular liquefaction trains, adding in total over 30.0MTPA in peak production capacity. This will bring the total peak production capacity across the entire Plaquemines complex to over 58.0MTPA. As previously stated, the commercial operations timelines for Phase I and Phase II remain unchanged.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:32 pm to Dale Gribble
Bounced off $6.75 twice.
Just a breather before falling below Six Fiddy?
Just a breather before falling below Six Fiddy?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 2:34 pm to SlidellCajun
quote:You avoided another 25% in losses.
I sold all today
Posted on 11/25/25 at 3:04 pm to TDFreak
I bought some back at 7.50, and probably should have just removed the ticker from my watchlist.
Something just isn’t right with their leadership team. Their compensation packages are off the charts. One of their directors disclosed a 500k share sale last month, which didn’t raise any flags considering he had 19million at the time. But, seeing he now has 31 million shares a month later made me scratch my head.
Something just isn’t right with their leadership team. Their compensation packages are off the charts. One of their directors disclosed a 500k share sale last month, which didn’t raise any flags considering he had 19million at the time. But, seeing he now has 31 million shares a month later made me scratch my head.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 7:22 am to lsuconnman
I might try this company for a swing trade. Feels like all the potential bad news is likely baked in here, and showing strong support at 6.75. I might buy in and put stop loss at 6.45. They turned profitable this quarter.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 10:50 am to Upperdecker
Back at $6.75 intraday today.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 3:36 pm to TDFreak
LNG export capacity overbuild -- global gas spreads will tighten over the next 3-5 years rendering VG worth so much less than they thought they were. That, and the general sleaziness of mgmt (see lawsuits from major customers).
Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:19 pm to TDFreak
Big gap down today. Flirting with $6/share.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 4:01 pm to TDFreak
quote:
Flirting with $6/share
Closed under $6 today. How low does it go?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 4:25 pm to 22jctiger22
For me, as a believer in Nat Gas, I am more comfortable owning Cheniere than I was owning Venture.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 4:31 pm to SlidellCajun
quote:
Closed under $6 today. How low does it go?
Easily another 20-40% of downside
Posted on 12/15/25 at 4:38 pm to 22jctiger22
Bounced around and dropped again during power hour.
Is $6 a support point, or just a stop on a slow miserable path to bankruptcy.
How is their cash flow? Any need to issue new shares? (Dilution?)
Is $6 a support point, or just a stop on a slow miserable path to bankruptcy.
How is their cash flow? Any need to issue new shares? (Dilution?)
Posted on 12/15/25 at 6:43 pm to TDFreak
quote:that depends on how many cargos they're stealing from their offtakers.
How is their cash flow?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:11 pm to Louie T
I own a good chunk of VG at $7.30 avg price. I had a discussion with Grok about it, for what it's worth and sharing it here. My thesis is that the value of the assets alone should be a floor. I'm probably wrong....wouldn't be the first time.
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Question about invested value of assets.
**Venture Global LNG has invested approximately $43.3 billion** in its LNG facilities as of September 30, 2025. This figure reflects the net book value of property, plant, and equipment (PPE) reported in the company's Q3 2025 financials, which primarily consists of capitalized costs for constructing and commissioning assets like the Calcasieu Pass (10 MTPA capacity, operational since 2022), Plaquemines LNG (27 MTPA across two phases, commissioning in 2025), and CP2 LNG (Phase 1 at 20 MTPA, under construction with FID in July 2025). For context, capex spending reached $6.4 billion in the first half of 2025 alone, driving PPE up from $34.7 billion at the end of 2024.
The company has raised over $80 billion in total capital since inception (through Q2 2025), including recent financings like $15.1 billion for CP2 Phase 1 and $4 billion in senior secured notes for Plaquemines. Planned expansions, such as a potential $18 billion add-on to Plaquemines for another 18 MTPA, could push total project commitments beyond $75 billion, but the $43.3 billion marks sunk costs to date.
At a $14 billion market cap, the stock trades at a steep discount to invested capital—implying a price-to-book ratio under 0.4—which does highlight acquisition appeal. However, several factors explain why it hasn't been snapped up yet:
- **Ongoing legal disputes and arbitration risks**: Venture Global faces multimillion-dollar claims from customers (e.g., BP, Shell, Edison) for allegedly delaying contracted deliveries to sell spot cargoes at higher prices during commissioning. It lost a $1 billion arbitration to BP in October 2025 (with potential for up to $11 billion in total exposure across cases), and similar suits are pending. These have created uncertainty, with FERC also investigating contract compliance.
- **High leverage and cash burn**: Long-term debt stands at $31.7 billion (up from $29.1 billion at year-end 2024), fueled by aggressive expansion. Despite $9.3 billion in nine-month revenue and positive EBITDA ($4.3 billion), operations generated negative free cash flow due to heavy capex, leaving just $2.6 billion in cash as of mid-2025.
- **Stock volatility and execution risks**: The January 2025 IPO targeted a $110 billion valuation but closed lower; shares then plunged to $17 billion amid disputes and market skepticism, contributing to the current $14 billion cap. Analysts note "slander-era" reputational hits from Big Oil critics, plus broader concerns over U.S. LNG economics (e.g., Shell's CEO calling some projects "not economically fully rational").
These issues have deterred buyers despite the asset value, though resolution of arbitrations (some wins already, like vs. Shell) and Plaquemines ramp-up could shift dynamics. If you're eyeing an acquisition play, watch Q4 earnings for updates on damages and offtake (e.g., recent 1 MTPA deals with Mitsui and PETRONAS).
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Question about invested value of assets.
**Venture Global LNG has invested approximately $43.3 billion** in its LNG facilities as of September 30, 2025. This figure reflects the net book value of property, plant, and equipment (PPE) reported in the company's Q3 2025 financials, which primarily consists of capitalized costs for constructing and commissioning assets like the Calcasieu Pass (10 MTPA capacity, operational since 2022), Plaquemines LNG (27 MTPA across two phases, commissioning in 2025), and CP2 LNG (Phase 1 at 20 MTPA, under construction with FID in July 2025). For context, capex spending reached $6.4 billion in the first half of 2025 alone, driving PPE up from $34.7 billion at the end of 2024.
The company has raised over $80 billion in total capital since inception (through Q2 2025), including recent financings like $15.1 billion for CP2 Phase 1 and $4 billion in senior secured notes for Plaquemines. Planned expansions, such as a potential $18 billion add-on to Plaquemines for another 18 MTPA, could push total project commitments beyond $75 billion, but the $43.3 billion marks sunk costs to date.
At a $14 billion market cap, the stock trades at a steep discount to invested capital—implying a price-to-book ratio under 0.4—which does highlight acquisition appeal. However, several factors explain why it hasn't been snapped up yet:
- **Ongoing legal disputes and arbitration risks**: Venture Global faces multimillion-dollar claims from customers (e.g., BP, Shell, Edison) for allegedly delaying contracted deliveries to sell spot cargoes at higher prices during commissioning. It lost a $1 billion arbitration to BP in October 2025 (with potential for up to $11 billion in total exposure across cases), and similar suits are pending. These have created uncertainty, with FERC also investigating contract compliance.
- **High leverage and cash burn**: Long-term debt stands at $31.7 billion (up from $29.1 billion at year-end 2024), fueled by aggressive expansion. Despite $9.3 billion in nine-month revenue and positive EBITDA ($4.3 billion), operations generated negative free cash flow due to heavy capex, leaving just $2.6 billion in cash as of mid-2025.
- **Stock volatility and execution risks**: The January 2025 IPO targeted a $110 billion valuation but closed lower; shares then plunged to $17 billion amid disputes and market skepticism, contributing to the current $14 billion cap. Analysts note "slander-era" reputational hits from Big Oil critics, plus broader concerns over U.S. LNG economics (e.g., Shell's CEO calling some projects "not economically fully rational").
These issues have deterred buyers despite the asset value, though resolution of arbitrations (some wins already, like vs. Shell) and Plaquemines ramp-up could shift dynamics. If you're eyeing an acquisition play, watch Q4 earnings for updates on damages and offtake (e.g., recent 1 MTPA deals with Mitsui and PETRONAS).
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:13 pm to K E V 8 4
Cont'd.....Question about share price under two scenarios:
### (1) Equity Value Following IPO (January 24, 2025)
Venture Global's shares closed at $24 on their debut trading day, implying an equity value (market cap) of approximately $58.1 billion based on ~2.421 billion fully diluted shares outstanding at the time. Subtracting the $11 billion in potential claim exposure yields an adjusted equity value of $47.1 billion. To arrive at the implied share price:
Adjusted equity value ÷ Shares outstanding = Implied price
$47.1 billion ÷ 2.421 billion shares = **$19.46 per share**
### (2) Equity Value Shortly After Shell Win (August 13, 2025)
The arbitration win against Shell was announced on August 12, 2025, after market close, driving a ~7.8% gain the next day. Shares closed at $13.99 on August 13, implying an equity value of approximately $34.0 billion (using ~2.43 billion shares outstanding, consistent with Q2 2025 filings). Subtracting the $11 billion exposure yields an adjusted equity value of $23.0 billion. Implied share price:
$23.0 billion ÷ 2.43 billion shares = **$9.47 per share**
### (1) Equity Value Following IPO (January 24, 2025)
Venture Global's shares closed at $24 on their debut trading day, implying an equity value (market cap) of approximately $58.1 billion based on ~2.421 billion fully diluted shares outstanding at the time. Subtracting the $11 billion in potential claim exposure yields an adjusted equity value of $47.1 billion. To arrive at the implied share price:
Adjusted equity value ÷ Shares outstanding = Implied price
$47.1 billion ÷ 2.421 billion shares = **$19.46 per share**
### (2) Equity Value Shortly After Shell Win (August 13, 2025)
The arbitration win against Shell was announced on August 12, 2025, after market close, driving a ~7.8% gain the next day. Shares closed at $13.99 on August 13, implying an equity value of approximately $34.0 billion (using ~2.43 billion shares outstanding, consistent with Q2 2025 filings). Subtracting the $11 billion exposure yields an adjusted equity value of $23.0 billion. Implied share price:
$23.0 billion ÷ 2.43 billion shares = **$9.47 per share**
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