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University of Phoenix, Devry, Strayer, WGU, Grand Canyon University Reviews

Posted on 2/1/18 at 7:30 am
Posted by Maximusheals
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2018
47 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 7:30 am
I would like to hear from prior/current students on their experiences with these universities. I know there is a lot of negative information out there and if possible, I would like to debunk them or see if the negative presumptions are true. I would also like to hear from hiring managers. I had a healthcare hiring manager state that she has employees from NYU and WGU and they both start at the same pay. Granted, WGU is non-profit while the others on the list are for-profit. Any opinions, experiences? Which school is the best from this list?
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 7:33 am
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11452 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 7:52 am to
Ask the Department of Education to provide you access to their Program Performance Reviews. Will provide some insight to their operations, Title IV compliance, in particular.

Wish we had. Son attended a private, for profit in 2003/04. Was a mess.
Posted by Skeezer
Member since Apr 2017
2296 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:05 am to
If all you need is a check in a box they are fine.
But as far as legitimate universities, they aren’t
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 8:06 am
Posted by ATLdawg25
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2014
4370 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:08 am to
quote:

I would also like to hear from hiring managers.

My perspective is only in the finance industry, but no resumes make it past the initial screen if the candidate's primary education is from a school like those mentioned.

If the undergrad was done at a reputable university and some additional education was from one of the above, it doesn't hurt them. It just doesn't garner any extra points when evaluating candidates against one another.
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
608 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:17 am to
My brother did a few U of P classes before transferring to a traditional university and he said U of P was very easy.

I'm not in healthcare but as a hiring manager unless someone has a lot of experience in a field with demonstrated success, I would likely not seriously consider candidates with a for-profit degree since I don't believe it to be academically rigorous.

However, I believe grade inflation to be a huge issue in this country where all universities are having to compete and retain students. Lazy rivers don't pay for themselves....A 3.0 isn't what it used to be regardless of the institution.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:33 am to
They're fine to use if you need one or two classes for some reason. I wouldn't use them for a degree though.

Guy I know needed one class to sit for the CPA exam and took it online with Phoenix instead of a traditional college.
Posted by Maximusheals
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2018
47 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:34 am to
I am concerned that the U.S.A allows institutions like this operate. They usually go after kids from poor communities that have no idea about reputation, debt etc. They just see "University" and sign up. Do you think the US should come up with a tier system? Like,

Tier 1 = Harvard, Yale, Stanford etc.
Tier 2 = Big state schools like Umass, LSU, Alabama, Penn state etc.
Tier 3 = Smaller state schools like LSUS, ULL, University of South Alabama, UMUC etc.
Tier 4 = For profit Schools like UoP, Devry, Reminigton College etc. (with regional accreditation)
Tier 5 = Nationally accredited institutions.

and the amount of student loans the government will pay depends on which tier you attend?
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 8:36 am
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24156 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:39 am to
Honest question: Why would you even risk the negative perception of what is likely a terminal degree when there are so many alternative options available?

Go to a reputable school’s online program before considering any of these. Or, go to a school near where you live and do night classes or weekend programs.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16417 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:27 am to
quote:

Go to a reputable school’s online program before considering any of these. Or, go to a school near where you live and do night classes or weekend programs.


Agree with this 100%. I have known a handful of people that have gone through the Phoenix program, and none of them know anyone in any of their classes that ever received anything less than a C. From what they were saying, all you have to do is pay your tuition, meet the minimum requirements, and the school would make sure you passed.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22426 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:54 am to
If you are looking for online and those are your only choices, WGU by a mile. Its the only non-profit regionally accredited (regional is better than national here).

If you are looking for better online programs than those try: Penn State, Arizona State, Central Michigan or Western Michigan. Probably in that order. I think Arizona State is about 500 per credit hour and they have options where you can finish a semester every 9 weeks by taking twice as many hours of instruction per week. A degree from those schools will not indicate it was obtained "online".
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25948 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:58 am to
I can't contribute much other than say that I know of administrators at my place of employment that received their masters from UoP and they are in position to take over with the next regime change. I've considered it as well.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:28 pm to
There are two angles you have to consider. Fresh college grads and those who have been in the workforce for a at least a few years with real experience in their field.


Back when I was in the military and I wanted to further my education (I was enlisted) there simply was not many online/distant learning options. Your major schools now have online classes, but back in the pre-2006 range, they didn't have many degree plans to choose from.

I went to UoP while enlisted to knock out my general studies. I wanted to apply for officer candidate school at some point and knew I needed to start. I then ended up cross training from aviation maitenance to cyber surety (Information Assurance for the Air Force). In doing this I decided to take classes at UoP for Information Technology which supplemented my job in the military and ended up getting BA a few years later. For me, it was a "check box". I also had a number of private-industry lvl tech/security certifications to back up my training and education so I was never too worried about the perception of UoP.

Now, when I transitioned out of the military, I know for a fact that UoP on my resume meant some people just threw it away. It is an actual degree, but over the course of time it got a very bad rap for simply not having ANY standards for acceptance. Like literally none. While the course work was accredited, they accepted anyone with a pulse to take classes.

Even though I landed on my feet in the private sector making very good money, I had real work experience via the military to support my education toolkit. There is absolutely no reason a person out of high-school should consider these schools. New college grads with no background will be at the bottom of the list with these schools.

Back pre-2006 it made sense for me because there were not many options and I was actively working in a field that I was studying for (it also didn't have a bad rap back then). I also didn't plan to exit the Military until Obama got his fingers in it.

I later used my GI bill to attend a local Texas school and completed my masters because I was afraid that the UoP decision all those years ago would hinder my ability to move up within my current company.


Back to my original point; new college grad = school matters. A professional with experience = you can get away with it, but it very much depends on your experience and field. Not worth the risk today now that all your major universities offer some sort of online/distant learning for basically the same price.


Just my two cents, but I have seen VP levels with UoP masters all over the place. I wouldn't recommend it having experienced both.
Posted by jamsmiley
Zachary La
Member since Nov 2008
632 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 2:14 pm to
I don’t know about any of those schools. My experience was in Southern New Hampshire. It is a private traditional school that is heavy in the online game like all of those you listed. Overall I would say that online classes will have a writing intensive weekly discussion in each course no matter the school. I completed an accounting program that had classes that required real work, and others not so much. some classes were structured with 1-2 homework weekly assignments In addition to weekly assignments some courses will require 8-15 page papers that will spend lots of time on. Success in an online program depends on how seriously you take it. Getting hired should be based on your actual knowledge.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

I completed an accounting program that had classes that required real work, and others not so much. some classes were structured with 1-2 homework weekly assignments In addition to weekly assignments some courses will require 8-15 page papers that will spend lots of time on. Success in an online program depends on how seriously you take it.


This is not unique to online programs, at brick and mortar schools in any program there will always be courses that you have to really grind it out, and others that require little more than showing up. Multiple sections of the same course can vary dramatically in difficulty depending on the person teaching it.
Posted by Maximusheals
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2018
47 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:45 pm to
Would you recommend University of Maryland, University College? Would that be a better option? I did see that they are a state school in Maryland under the University System of Maryland. I know they have a large online presence but do you think that a degree from UMUC will carry weight and have a better reputation in the long run because it is a state school? I plan to go to LSUS for an MBA after my bachelor degree. Thanks for all the feedback everyone!
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 11:53 pm
Posted by Maximusheals
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2018
47 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 11:56 pm to
Would you consider University of Maryland, University College a real school? They are another school I found with a large online presence. It seems they are a state school in Maryland but looks like they deal more with the military. Thanks
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71155 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 7:00 am to
quote:

A degree from those schools will not indicate it was obtained "online".


But if someone lived and worked in Lafayette while attending Michigan State, it was obviously online.
Posted by Maximusheals
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2018
47 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 8:03 am to
I don't think earning a degree "Online" is the issue here. What matters more is what school you earned it at. For example, LSUS requires proctored exams which means, showing your government issued I.D. card and having someone watch you take the test. Schools like UoP do not require a proctor and many of their "professors" are just adjunct part-time facilitators. After making this post, I went and read some UoP reviews.
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 8:05 am
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 9:14 am to
quote:

I plan to go to LSUS for an MBA after my bachelor degree. Thanks for all the feedback everyone!


If you are going to do LSU MBA online, why not also do online degree from a LA state school, LSU, Northwestern State, LA Tech, MCneese, and others offer various Bachelor degrees online?
Posted by Cin8
Nation's Capital
Member since Aug 2017
37 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 10:51 am to
Hi Maximusheals,

I'll share with you some advice passed to me by my former CHRO when I was looking into online MBA programs. She's a 30-year HR executive and on the board of several HR associations, so I trust her opinion.

- If you're just starting in your career, going to the best school you can get in is important. However, for people like me who have established careers and experience, any "known" school is good.

- For business disciplines, she said the HR community does not view schools like UoP, Devry, etc. favorably.

- HR recognizes that technology has enabled more online options and do not view online programs from known schools negatively.

On your question about UMUC, I'm in the DC area and a Maryland college park alum, UMUC is a reputable school part of the University of Maryland system. In particular, their Cybersecurity program is top in the country and very well respected. I know lots of people working at major consulting firms and government agencies with a UMUC degree.

I'm currently in the LSUS MBA program and my biggest consideration was the AACSB accreditation, then the brand, cost and length of the program.

I agree with EA6B's comment that you can look into LSUS' online bachelor's program too. It will cost less than UoP, etc. (I think). Hope this helps.
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