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Taxes for selling LSU etc tickets on stubhub, need CPA advice please
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:10 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:10 am
So we all know, and are so excited, that IRS cracking down on stuhub, paypal etc, but for you tax CPA experts a few questions please.
1) So face value for a UAB LSU football ticket was $40, say I sell for $70
Simple math says I am taxed on $30 gain, but can I deduct tradition fund I have to pay just to get my tickets pro-rata?
2) Also, in the weeds here, but I got 4 SEC Championship tickets, but I only got them because of my priority point ranking which is based on over $10,000 I have given over time, can I deduct this at all from my net gain? If so, how to a use it, pro-rata?
Thank you
1) So face value for a UAB LSU football ticket was $40, say I sell for $70
Simple math says I am taxed on $30 gain, but can I deduct tradition fund I have to pay just to get my tickets pro-rata?
2) Also, in the weeds here, but I got 4 SEC Championship tickets, but I only got them because of my priority point ranking which is based on over $10,000 I have given over time, can I deduct this at all from my net gain? If so, how to a use it, pro-rata?
Thank you
Posted on 11/29/22 at 10:16 am to secfballfan
I think I read recently that tradition fund donations are no longer deductible.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 10:44 am to TDsngumbo
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I think I read recently that tradition fund donations are no longer deductible.
TCJA, tax cuts and jobs act eliminated sports tickets as a deduction.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 11:02 am to barry
TCJA, tax cuts and jobs act eliminated sports tickets as a deduction.
True but is not relevant to my question, looking to establish cost basis for something I sold
True but is not relevant to my question, looking to establish cost basis for something I sold
Posted on 11/29/22 at 11:23 am to secfballfan
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True but is not relevant to my question,
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can I deduct tradition fund I have to pay just to get my tickets pro-rata?
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TCJA, tax cuts and jobs act eliminated sports tickets as a deduction.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 11:33 am to barry
Maybe I am stupid or did not state question correctly, 50-50 chance, however can I add tradition fund cost to the basis of my ticket cost?
It is money I had to pay to get the ticket in addition to face value. I realize tradition fund cost are not deductible as an itemized deduction on my 1040 form, but can they be used to add to my cost basis for tickets I sell on stubhub?
It is money I had to pay to get the ticket in addition to face value. I realize tradition fund cost are not deductible as an itemized deduction on my 1040 form, but can they be used to add to my cost basis for tickets I sell on stubhub?
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 11:50 am to secfballfan
I would argue yes, but only the $15 you had to pay for these tickets, not your regular season tickets. I put the $15 into Stub Hub when I said how much I paid for the tickets.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 12:31 pm to secfballfan
Is the IRS really getting that picky?
Posted on 11/29/22 at 12:35 pm to secfballfan
After the Trump tax cuts you cannot claim any of the donation you make to any PSL organization for the right to buy tickets. Your cost basis is the amount you paid for the ticket itself, in this case, face value.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 11/29/22 at 1:00 pm to geauxpurple
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Is the IRS really getting that picky?
The IRS estimated the tax gap was $381 billion per year, according to a 2019 IRS report that examined data for 2011, 2012 and 2013. The 87,000 IRS agents hired to reduce inflation will need to do something with their new job.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:35 am to go ta hell ole miss
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After the Trump tax cuts you cannot claim any of the donation you make to any PSL organization for the right to buy tickets.
That eliminated the charitable deduction. I don't understand how that means it can't be taken into account when determining cost basis.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:26 pm to go ta hell ole miss
I would agree with this. Instinct would tell me face value is your basis in it. But you might be able to argue something like since the IRS considers that entire donation non-deductible, then the IRS is saying that’s what I’m paying for the tickets therefore the entire donation should be my basis. Not sure if anybody has tried that yet or not and would have to do more research.
With all the being said, I don’t think any of this is really worth your time. How much money could you be making off this?
With all the being said, I don’t think any of this is really worth your time. How much money could you be making off this?
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:37 pm to secfballfan
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1) So face value for a UAB LSU football ticket was $40, say I sell for $70
Simple math says I am taxed on $30 gain, but can I deduct tradition fund I have to pay just to get my tickets pro-rata?
Face value is irrelevant. Your total cost included the tradition fund that you are required to pay. Since it's no longer a tax-deductible donation, it just lumps in as part of the total cost paid for the tickets.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:32 pm to TigerGrl73
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This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 11/30/22 at 4:31 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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Your cost basis is the amount you paid for the ticket itself, in this case, face value
Where are these transactions to be reported? D or C?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 7:41 am to Weagle25
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How much money could you be making off this?
We have Stadium Club seats. We don't sell them for "face" which is the same as every other ticket in the stadium, but we rarely realize any gain when you take the fees into account. We're going to get a 1099 from StubHub that makes it look like we have a fairly significant gain if the cost basis is "face value."
Posted on 12/1/22 at 8:52 am to TigerGrl73
We have Stadium Club seats. We don't sell them for "face" which is the same as every other ticket in the stadium, but we rarely realize any gain when you take the fees into account. We're going to get a 1099 from StubHub that makes it look like we have a fairly significant gain if the cost basis is "face value."
Thank you, so will you adjust for this on your 1040?
Thank you, so will you adjust for this on your 1040?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:28 am to secfballfan
Your cost basis is what you paid for the ticket.
Tax law is clear that a tradition fund contribution to give you the right to buy tickets, and the actual ticket purchase themselves, are two different things. This is how we were able to get the old 80% charitable deduction on the tradition fees.
When the 2018 tax act dumped that deduction, it didn't make any other changes.
So, just because the trad fund is no longer deductible, doesn't mean we get to just add that to basis.
1) What did you actually pay for the ticket? That is your cost basis. If it was part of a seacon ticket package, you need to pro-rata allocate the cost unless you can prove that a different method provides more economic susbtance.
2) It's going to be whatever the actual cost LSU charged you for the actual tickets when you put in your order.
This is one of those situations where "what seems fair" and "what the tax law says" are two different things. We find that a lot with the 2018 tax cut act. It was a poorly, poorly written legislation with tons of unintneded consequences.
Tax law is clear that a tradition fund contribution to give you the right to buy tickets, and the actual ticket purchase themselves, are two different things. This is how we were able to get the old 80% charitable deduction on the tradition fees.
When the 2018 tax act dumped that deduction, it didn't make any other changes.
So, just because the trad fund is no longer deductible, doesn't mean we get to just add that to basis.
1) What did you actually pay for the ticket? That is your cost basis. If it was part of a seacon ticket package, you need to pro-rata allocate the cost unless you can prove that a different method provides more economic susbtance.
2) It's going to be whatever the actual cost LSU charged you for the actual tickets when you put in your order.
This is one of those situations where "what seems fair" and "what the tax law says" are two different things. We find that a lot with the 2018 tax cut act. It was a poorly, poorly written legislation with tons of unintneded consequences.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:15 am to secfballfan
Yeah it’s time for a Revolution. I gotta account for a capital gains tax on $30?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:52 am to LSUFanHouston
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Tax law is clear that a tradition fund contribution to give you the right to buy tickets, and the actual ticket purchase themselves, are two different things. This is how we were able to get the old 80% charitable deduction on the tradition fees.
When the 2018 tax act dumped that deduction, it didn't make any other changes.
So, just because the trad fund is no longer deductible, doesn't mean we get to just add that to basis.
1) What did you actually pay for the ticket? That is your cost basis. If it was part of a seacon ticket package, you need to pro-rata allocate the cost unless you can prove that a different method provides more economic susbtance.
2) It's going to be whatever the actual cost LSU charged you for the actual tickets when you put in your order.
This is one of those situations where "what seems fair" and "what the tax law says" are two different things. We find that a lot with the 2018 tax cut act. It was a poorly, poorly written legislation with tons of unintneded consequences.
Not a tax professional (so this is not tax advice), but I would think if this was a legitimate ticket reselling business you could deduct the tradition fund contribution as a subscription fee (maybe not the correct term, but you get the idea).
Since it doesn't appear to be an actual business, I doubt you can get away with this. Probably just gonna have to pay income tax on your ticket resale gains.
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