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Retirement Portfolio Allocation - When to factor Pension as bond?
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:38 pm
Context:
- Retired this year
- Living off Lump Sums (NQ) thru 2028
- To start pension in 2029 (to clear tax tables 2027-28 for heavy Roth Conversions / reduce RMD).
The retirement portfolio allocation plan:
In conservative / defensive (liquidity) for 1st 3yrs - protection from sequence of returns risk, etc. Blessed that equities are not consequential anymore (excluding inflation of course…will come back to that).
Allocation years 1-3:
43% stocks, 31% bonds, 26% cash/equiv (excludes pension as bond)
The pension, if treated like a bond, changes this conservative mix to:
37% stocks, 41% bonds, 22% cash
Allocation plan:
2026-2028 - conservative
2029-2040 (SS) - glide path to 60-65% stocks, dynamic plan per market returns (6-7% WD yrs)
2040+ 70% stocks (slow go life yrs - tbd WD)
(God willing this timeline…beat inflation!)
Questions:
1. Are we too conservative years 1-3?
2. When should we factor the pension into our allocation plan (now even though will start 2029) or when it starts in 2029?
- Retired this year
- Living off Lump Sums (NQ) thru 2028
- To start pension in 2029 (to clear tax tables 2027-28 for heavy Roth Conversions / reduce RMD).
The retirement portfolio allocation plan:
In conservative / defensive (liquidity) for 1st 3yrs - protection from sequence of returns risk, etc. Blessed that equities are not consequential anymore (excluding inflation of course…will come back to that).
Allocation years 1-3:
43% stocks, 31% bonds, 26% cash/equiv (excludes pension as bond)
The pension, if treated like a bond, changes this conservative mix to:
37% stocks, 41% bonds, 22% cash
Allocation plan:
2026-2028 - conservative
2029-2040 (SS) - glide path to 60-65% stocks, dynamic plan per market returns (6-7% WD yrs)
2040+ 70% stocks (slow go life yrs - tbd WD)
(God willing this timeline…beat inflation!)
Questions:
1. Are we too conservative years 1-3?
2. When should we factor the pension into our allocation plan (now even though will start 2029) or when it starts in 2029?
This post was edited on 5/15/26 at 6:37 pm
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Posted on 5/15/26 at 1:57 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
First I'd figure out how much income you want in retirement. Lets say you want $100k/yr.
Then lets assume your pension is $50k/yr, then I'd structure the rest of your portfolio to provide $50k/yr once the pension starts. If you will get soc security, you can reduce that even further.
I don't get a pension but I've built a TIPS ladder which will provide yearly income like a pension until I start soc security.
I just exclude the TIPS bonds I have from the rest of my "risk portfolio" when it comes to stock-bond allocation.
Then lets assume your pension is $50k/yr, then I'd structure the rest of your portfolio to provide $50k/yr once the pension starts. If you will get soc security, you can reduce that even further.
I don't get a pension but I've built a TIPS ladder which will provide yearly income like a pension until I start soc security.
I just exclude the TIPS bonds I have from the rest of my "risk portfolio" when it comes to stock-bond allocation.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 2:22 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
I also consider my pension in lieu of a conservative bond allocation.
However, I don't calculate a percentage allocation based on net present estimated value of pension as a bond alternative.
(In my case it's easy for now because pension covers current spending so I'm 100% stocks but I need to shift to a higher spend mind set)
Instead, I look at remaining projected spending after pension.
I would take remaining spending not covered by pension and establish a conservative bucket to cover 3-5 years.
I'll keep the rest invested in index funds.
So, in my situation if I decide to start spending $50k annually out of nest egg I'd shift $150k-$250k to conservative allocation.
I plan to use traditional accounts for allocation/rebalance while actually spending from taxable brokerage for now in early retirement. If I need to sell stock funds in a down market I'll buy back in traditional to rebalance.
Im still figuring it out. It's aggressive and wont work for most but Im keeping a growth focused strategy to build generational wealth. I've told my wife she needs to shift to a more typical retirement phase allocation if I pass first as she will lose the pension.
However, I don't calculate a percentage allocation based on net present estimated value of pension as a bond alternative.
(In my case it's easy for now because pension covers current spending so I'm 100% stocks but I need to shift to a higher spend mind set)
Instead, I look at remaining projected spending after pension.
I would take remaining spending not covered by pension and establish a conservative bucket to cover 3-5 years.
I'll keep the rest invested in index funds.
So, in my situation if I decide to start spending $50k annually out of nest egg I'd shift $150k-$250k to conservative allocation.
I plan to use traditional accounts for allocation/rebalance while actually spending from taxable brokerage for now in early retirement. If I need to sell stock funds in a down market I'll buy back in traditional to rebalance.
Im still figuring it out. It's aggressive and wont work for most but Im keeping a growth focused strategy to build generational wealth. I've told my wife she needs to shift to a more typical retirement phase allocation if I pass first as she will lose the pension.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 2:28 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
When you say "living off lump sums thru 2028" is that what you have allocated (43/31/26)? Or are you actually living off of cash for the next few years?
I see that you are using a 4% withdrawal rate over these early years, but I can't tell if you're supplementing your cash with the withdrawals or if the "cash" (invested) is the total source of those withdrawals.
I would treat the pension as if it didn't exist until it does. Having said that, I had a pension but took the cash distribution instead and have been very glad of it.
Everyone has different risk tolerances, but if it helps you to compare, my retirement income investments are 42% leveraged ETF (SPMO/TQQQ), 35% Covered Call (GPIQ/GPIX), and 23% managed bond funds (PYLD/SCYB).
My opinion is that I would have less in bonds and cash, but you can gather that from my current investments.
I see that you are using a 4% withdrawal rate over these early years, but I can't tell if you're supplementing your cash with the withdrawals or if the "cash" (invested) is the total source of those withdrawals.
I would treat the pension as if it didn't exist until it does. Having said that, I had a pension but took the cash distribution instead and have been very glad of it.
Everyone has different risk tolerances, but if it helps you to compare, my retirement income investments are 42% leveraged ETF (SPMO/TQQQ), 35% Covered Call (GPIQ/GPIX), and 23% managed bond funds (PYLD/SCYB).
My opinion is that I would have less in bonds and cash, but you can gather that from my current investments.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 5:36 pm to RoyalWe
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When you say "living off lump sums thru 2028" is that what you have allocated (43/31/26)? Or are you actually living off of cash for the next few years?
Yes, lump sums are allocated in same portfolio mix…in mix of short & intermediate term munis and money market. We use for retirement expenses 2026-28.
Sorry, I should have been clearer about the 4%. It’s our budgeted lifestyle in those years, not a withdrawal.
Large cash position, some for dry powder in next 3 years. Inverted bond yield Oct 2025 has my attn on recession on horizon.
The lump sums are NQ and all taxed in 2026 and sit in tax exempt muni’s so we have made a lot of room in tax table for big Roth conversions in 2027 and 2028.
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I would treat the pension as if it didn't exist until it does. Having said that, I had a pension but took the cash distribution instead and have been very glad of it.
Had 2 pensions (one with cash out option and cashed out that now sits in 401k, the other is annuity. It’s the latter pension at center of my question).
Hear your point - “not there until there” and that was my thought as well. Looking at allocation with/without it made me rethink a bit as seems super conservative allocation.
Appreciate you sharing your income assets mix! Looks like we are different risk profiles. Plan is to be conservative 1st 3 years and will glide path more aggressive after but really not seeking significant growth beyond inflation+. The war is already won, so to speak. Moreso, focused on inflation coverage and protecting downside.
Much appreciation for your thoughts!
This post was edited on 5/15/26 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 5/15/26 at 5:47 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
Thank you for sharing. Hear you on pension as bond but not an allocation factor for you, as it is key income provider.
We will be conservative years 1-3 (thank you again for the link to podcast on 4% rule MIT professor - you posted a few wks ago. Helped me rethink a few things re portfolio allocation).
I am leaning to not consider pension until we turn it on but may enable us to allocate more to equities when we do.
Appreciate you sharing. Getting other perspectives is invaluable.
We will be conservative years 1-3 (thank you again for the link to podcast on 4% rule MIT professor - you posted a few wks ago. Helped me rethink a few things re portfolio allocation).
I am leaning to not consider pension until we turn it on but may enable us to allocate more to equities when we do.
Appreciate you sharing. Getting other perspectives is invaluable.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 5:57 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
I think you'd do better to separate what you need for the first three years until your pension starts, keep it in cash, and build an allocation for the rest of your life with the rest.
If I had a pension, I would allocate my portfolio as something like:
Some amount of cash set aside somewhere for an emergency, such as a new roof or AC or having to dig up the yard and redo all the pipes.
Figure out what you want to spend total the first year total. Subtract the pension from it. Put:
2 x that amount in cash
4-8 x that amount in bonds
Everything else in stocks.
If you feel that's too aggressive increase you bond amount. If you think it's not aggressive enough decrease your bond amount.
Every year, take some money out of the stocks and/or bonds allocation and keep your cash topped off to two years. If you think an AC, new roof, or new car is in your future, those aren't emergencies, you should up your cash allocation a little. Your hurricane deductible is an emergency, but you've got to top that off if you spend it.
If I had a pension, I would allocate my portfolio as something like:
Some amount of cash set aside somewhere for an emergency, such as a new roof or AC or having to dig up the yard and redo all the pipes.
Figure out what you want to spend total the first year total. Subtract the pension from it. Put:
2 x that amount in cash
4-8 x that amount in bonds
Everything else in stocks.
If you feel that's too aggressive increase you bond amount. If you think it's not aggressive enough decrease your bond amount.
Every year, take some money out of the stocks and/or bonds allocation and keep your cash topped off to two years. If you think an AC, new roof, or new car is in your future, those aren't emergencies, you should up your cash allocation a little. Your hurricane deductible is an emergency, but you've got to top that off if you spend it.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 6:32 pm to CharlesUFarley
Thanks!
The allocation I shared is strictly retirement portfolio.
Emergency fund, house fund (new home down the road), 529s, etc are excluded. Have all that covered elsewhere.
The retirement expenses for 1st 3yrs sit in muni’s and money market. Safe and ready.
The annual retirement expenses beyond those years are set. Essential expenses will be covered by pension. Blessed that the nest egg statistically has zero risk of running out. All good there.
The question is do we factor in pension as a bond in the portfolio mix allocation.
Income tactics and its tax efficiency are not in scope, as we have that planned. Although, appreciate your inputs there. Always interesting to see how others approach.
The allocation I shared is strictly retirement portfolio.
Emergency fund, house fund (new home down the road), 529s, etc are excluded. Have all that covered elsewhere.
The retirement expenses for 1st 3yrs sit in muni’s and money market. Safe and ready.
The annual retirement expenses beyond those years are set. Essential expenses will be covered by pension. Blessed that the nest egg statistically has zero risk of running out. All good there.
The question is do we factor in pension as a bond in the portfolio mix allocation.
Income tactics and its tax efficiency are not in scope, as we have that planned. Although, appreciate your inputs there. Always interesting to see how others approach.
This post was edited on 5/15/26 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 5/16/26 at 6:33 am to Everyday Is Saturday
Bonds already exist as part of your balance. The pension is a future revenue stream. If you’re referring to a cash balance pension, then that’s a bond, since their return is generally tied to treasuries.
This post was edited on 5/16/26 at 6:37 am
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