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re: remember when everyone was becoming a millionaire investing in bitcoin?

Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:02 am to
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:02 am to
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but I still contend the fundamentals are/were never there.
When you say never there, do you mean they don’t exist instead of the usual not supporting the price (e.g., a overvalued stock)?

Because I’m generally curious what underlying fundamentals one can use that has any practical value for cryptocurrencies, although I still have trouble getting my head around the investment aspect anyways other than in the underlying technology and consumer use. Even then I still don’t get how investing in it works in a traditional sense given that the purpose of currency.
Posted by LSU2a
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 11:37 am to
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Which ones have the immeasurable value?


I don’t have enough confidence to start pointing out specific altcoins but I am confident that one or several from multiple categories will succeed and be adopted well enough to have dramatic value appreciation. For example: in the daily transactions currency segment there are several altcoins that seem to have solved the scaling issue that bitcoin has failed to solve. One of those is NANO. Some other disruptive altcoin categories include utility value networks (POWR), genomic data networks (DNA), securities trading (POLY), etc.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 12:59 pm to
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underlying fundamentals one can use that has any practical value for cryptocurrencies,


Scarcity is the most fundamental attribute in my mind.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:24 pm to
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how can it be used as a medium of exchange?



Lol. So you make this thread without knowing anything about crypto?

Even I know this is a dumb question.
Posted by bstew3006
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:28 pm to
Seems like a buying opportunity! Might get my second lambo in December!
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:55 pm to
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Lol. So you make this thread without knowing anything about crypto?

Even I know this is a dumb question.
It’s not a dumb question whatsoever. The fact that you think it’s dumb is far more problematic if you’re investing in it.

If a currency is being used primarily—even solely—as an investment asset for future gains, then what incentive is there to use the currency for its actual purpose if the value of the currency is expected to be worth far more than the goods or services being exchanged after the exchange? Would you rather exchange Apple or Amazon stock for groceries than cash?

Here is an example that actually happened: there was a report late last year when bitcoin was rising rapidly on CNBC or Fox Business about physicians offering bitcoin payment but nobody was actually using the payment.

It could have been nobody had bitcoin, but if someone did, why would someone pay for say a $100 service with bitcoin when at one point in November and December, that bitcoin was worth over $125 a week later?
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 3:50 pm to
It's interesting to watch all the threads laughing at people who bought or didn't buy bitcoin as the price changes

One thing is for sure though, and that's that it is way too god damn volatile to be a currency. I wouldn't accept bitcoin as a payment on a large sale whether the price was $1, $1,000 or $1,000,000
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:22 pm to
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It's interesting to watch all the threads laughing at people who bought or didn't buy bitcoin as the price changes

One thing is for sure though, and that's that it is way too god damn volatile to be a currency. I wouldn't accept bitcoin as a payment on a large sale whether the price was $1, $1,000 or $1,000,000



Most crypto projects are not pure currency projects.

Even if bitcoin disappeared there would still be crypto projects.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:56 pm to
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Most crypto projects are not pure currency projects.
But it’s traded as a currency instead of a security, which is why if the technology is so important and useful then the currency trading, and the speculative nature of its current state, is actually harming that, as many of the developers have stated.

I think myself and others would be inclined to invest in some of the companies developing useful technology and running the company well, but as it stands, we can’t really do that.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:06 am to
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Which ones have the immeasurable value?

We can't tell. It cannot be measured.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 4:39 pm to
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When you say never there, do you mean they don’t exist instead of the usual not supporting the price (e.g., a overvalued stock)?


For starters, the is zero barrier to entry. I mean the technology is impressive but there is nothing that stops you, me, or JPMorgan Chase from developing out own. Bitcoin has no IP protection.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 6:59 pm to
Nvidia earnings today. CFO:

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Our revenue outlook had anticipated cryptocurrency-specific products declining to approximately $100 million while actual crypto-specific product revenue was $18 million, and we now expect a negligible contribution going forward," Kress said. 


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