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re: Petrodollar agreement ends.

Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:49 am to
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:49 am to
Get back to us when the world decouples from Treasuries. The latest 10 year auction had insane bid to cover and indirect bids.
Posted by Grifola
Member since Aug 2017
228 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:05 pm to
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I’m curious what Biden did to warrant the blame here, or more specifically, what would Trump do differently?

Biden gets them blame for the escalation in weaponizing the dollar,freezing/appropriating assets of sovereign countries, kicking Russia off of SWIFT, etc.

Other countries see this done against Russia and realize it could happen to them. You can’t promote the dollar as the safe stable global reserve currency while also weaponizing it.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:35 pm to
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The guys on the money board are too entrenched in the game to realize what’s going on. The whole forrest through the trees thing.

To understate the importance of a fiat currency losing its reserve power on a global scale to the global power is an exercise of folly, and similar to Nero.
Lucikly we have seers like you to see us straight.

Do tell, which other fiat currency is going to take us over?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:36 pm to
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The latest 10 year auction had insane bid to cover and indirect bids.
I'm sure "BamaCoaster" will be by shortly to explain to the rest of us what you are talking about.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93806 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:47 pm to
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Get back to us when the world decouples from Treasuries. The latest 10 year auction had insane bid to cover and indirect bids.


30yr bond grade was an A- today as well
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
4326 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:59 pm to
I mean, who doesn't trust the Chinese? I want some of their currency.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11867 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:10 pm to
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kicking Russia off of SWIFT


This did literally nothing. SWIFT is a messaging system. Funny enough, this "Petrodollar" agreement is as meaningless as our "sanctions" on Russia over the war. The Petrodollar isn't the reason the dollar dominates global trade and it never was. It's a good narrative to push though.
Posted by Lolathon234
Rio
Member since Oct 2022
1351 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:35 pm to
The US exports around $50 billion/year in WTI. You need USD for trading on NYMEX. You need treasuries to protect those USD from inflation while waiting for settlement. The dollar is going nowhere
Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
288 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 12:59 pm to
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Get back to us when the world decouples from Treasuries. The latest 10 year auction had insane bid to cover and indirect bids.


This is a long process and we're already a decade in. Central bank UST holdings are basically flat on a net basis since 2014. Our debt was 17T in '14. It has since more than doubled. Banks, money markets and hedge funds were regulated into buying it (HQLA) but they're stuffed to the gills. The next step will probably be permanent SLR exemptions so they can eat the tidal wave of supply on deck. Meanwhile CB's are adding gold as USTs roll off their balance sheet. China swapped USTs with gold and belt and road.

Random auctions with artificially pinched supply (Yellen running the TGA down to manage size, shifting issuance to the short end etc...) coupled with UST positive news (increasing unemployment, CPI missing 10 bips to the downside etc...) are still well bid but in the last two years we have seen auctions tail with increasing frequency. This will continue as long as USTs continue to go down in oil terms.

USTs have to be as good as gold in oil terms or foreign buyers will store their surpluses in gold. Energy is the base layer. Whatever you're storing your buying power in has to stay even with it. That has not been the case with USTs for a while and it's only going to get worse.

All that said the premise of the OP is silly. There never was an expiration date on any petrodollar deal. OPEC is already selling oil in yuan in small amounts. And in the next year I predict you'll see an oil contract in yen with Washington's permission. It's in our best interest so the Japanese don't have to sell their massive UST hoard in order to buy oil while their currency disintegrates.
This post was edited on 6/15/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9632 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 1:53 pm to

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Get back to us when the world decouples from Treasuries. The latest 10 year auction had insane bid to cover and indirect bids.


You’re about to get your wish. Nearly 10 Trillion in US Treasuries mature in 2024 …. Coupled with the approx 2 Trillion they will spend this year,…. that’s 12 trillion in UST that the Fed needs to find buyers for

And if you believe that ? …. don’t think so.

Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57977 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 3:02 pm to
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Get back to us when the world decouples from Treasuries.


How are you defining decoupling? Since 2015 the USD has only dropped in use as a reserve currency going from 65.73% to 58.41% in 2023. Going back to 2000 it was 71.13%. The difference has been spread among most of the various other currencies as small growth in their use.

This could well be an argument for underscoring what Art said about the process already being under way. If our continued irresponsible debt accumulation has any impact on this, then we can expect it to only continue.

As I've said before in reference to the USD's strength; we're the skinniest kid in fat camp, but we're now dining at an all-you-can-eat buffet.
This post was edited on 6/15/24 at 3:31 pm
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