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Posted on 4/12/23 at 2:01 pm to
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 2:01 pm to
Dragginass, have you found any successful repeatable backtests on the indices?
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
2004 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 3:42 pm to
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Once I leave my employer this year and only trade full time


Goals!
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
2004 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 3:46 pm to
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Jag_Warrior


I have so many questions for a guy that's about to break out full-time in trading!

I see you trade SPX? Do you trade stangles, ICs, what?

Mind sharing what acct size you felt like you needed in order to breakout full time?

I appreciate you sharing in the thread!
This post was edited on 4/12/23 at 3:48 pm
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2975 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 5:56 pm to
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Dragginass, have you found any successful repeatable backtests on the indices?


I'm admittedly green, but the backtests I have performed on basic strategies are surprisingly bad, ha. I'll see if I can copy one I ran on a basic DIA IC. Short legs at .10 delta, long at .05.

The variables OA gives you are many, so time frame, allocation and account size, have a large effect on result. Then there are entry and exit variables.... vix options, profit taking etc.



Posted by dragginass
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 6:02 pm to
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Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 7:07 pm to
Gotcha. Yep. Just shows that this is not an easy game where you can just set and forget
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

I see you trade SPX? Do you trade strangles, ICs, what?


I began focusing more on SPX last year. Now index option trades are probably 90% of what I do. You still have event risk, but not the sort of event risk that single stock options present. I mainly do ICs and these “synthetic strangles” (look like ICs, but with extremely wide wings - really only there to lessen the buying power reduction that a strangle on SPX would have). I was doing maybe 10-20 contracts a week last year. Now I probably average 60-70 contracts a week - did 25 today. When earnings season hits, I also trade some of those events (but only on “real” companies) with directional short naked options or strangles (depending on the stock’s price - I have to use credit spreads for the high priced stocks). On single stocks, I’m also fond of jade lizards and ratio spreads.

When IV rank/percentile on a stock is above 50 and the IV is also relatively high (like during earnings season), I’ll usually leg into strangles or directional positions with some size (although never more than 5-10% of my buying power on a single equity).

quote:

Mind sharing what acct size you felt like you needed in order to breakout full time?


I got portfolio margin several years ago when my trading account was around $100K. Once I saw that my strategies were working and proven, I increased my funding and got my “buying power” up to $500K or so. Sosnoff recommends not using more than 35% of buying power when the VIX is 20-30. No more than 30% when it’s 15-20 and no more than 25% when it’s 10-15. But when the world gets crazy, and the VIX is 30-40, you can go in with 40% max… and at 40+, 50%. But those are times when everyone around you will be loosing their minds… and you can make amazing profits vs. calculated risk. This low vol/low premium environment that we’re in now makes me nervous.

Last year my goal was to roughly equal my salary at work by trading “part time”. That worked out. This year, the goal was to double what I make at work. Thus far I’m about triple (but waiting on that elusive mean Doberman to one day bite my tail… I know he’s somewhere in the yard! ). But losses are part of the game. But like Kirk du Plessis, I treat this as a business and withdraw a “salary” each month… whether I need it or not, whether I’ve had a down month or not.

Every day, I learn something new. I consider myself still a student of this endeavor, and want to keep learning. And you guys have helped me a great deal too. And I appreciate you fellows and this thread. Not many serious options traders out here on the internet.
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
2004 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 5:04 am to
$500k is always what I’ve told myself I needed to retire and trade full time!

I appreciate your transparency.
Your trading methodology is carbon copy of what I love. i.e. Heavy TastyTrade methodology.
*All hail thee SosGrande*

1. We should make a discord!
2. Are you a member of the “Tastytrade Options” Facebook page?
3. Are you going to make any of the TastyLive Bad Trader tour events??
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 5:06 am
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:40 pm to
Yes, once I saw that Kirk du Plessis was mainly following TastyTrade (and after he began pushing the trading bots too hard), I began following Sosnoff pretty much exclusively. I still communicate with Kirk and like him, but Sosnoff is the master.

I haven’t been on Discord or Facebook (might create a page once I’m retired).

I’d very much like to attend a Bad Trader event. I met most of the Tasty team (minus Sosnoff and Battista) at a Money Show event in Vegas last year. Also had a nice chat there with Jon Najarian (completely different methodology than what we do, but a very interesting guy).

I’d love to meet up with some of you guys at an event. I put out a call before the Vegas event, but I don’t think anyone from MT made it. My next scheduled event will be the Money Show event in Orlando in early October.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:18 pm to
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I bought QQQ april 315 calls today


From your 4/5 purchase into this session, you’ve made some serious bank!
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2493 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:59 pm to
Yes I have been adding on dips. Today was a very good day. Only took small profits today. Still have a significant position. I expect there is still some upside left
Posted by williejameshuft
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2012
167 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 5:07 pm to
This is probably far beneath the expertise level of everyone on this thread, but I've had pretty good success running a wheel-like strategy on UNG weeklies every time natural gas gets within spitting distance of $2. The premiums are surprisingly high for what I think is a pretty safe trade as long as you wait for NG to get within a few percent of $2 and avoid the last week of each month when the NG futures contract rolls over. I've only been assigned shares twice and both times they were called away the following Friday. Obviously, UNG isn't a great long-term hold so the idea is to get rid of it asap if assigned. But the IV is so high that selling calls $.50-$1 under your cost basis can still yield a healthy gain.
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2493 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 10:49 pm to
Honest question and not trying to sound like a jackass but how could 500k in a trading account allow you to retire? How old are you? I’m in my 30s with kids and this is not close to the number I would need to comfortably go to full time trading. I’m close to that number and don’t feel even close to comfortable to converting to a full time trader. Mainly because of the stress it would put on me to get returns, where as now I know I can fall back on my job if it goes downhill. I’m a confident trader but at the same time I feel like I need multiples of what you’re talking to feel comfortable. Everyone has different situations but I am just curious.

With 500k even if you’re an excellent trader after taxes you’re making less than 100k a year. Honest question not trying to start anything
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2493 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 10:55 pm to
Any of y’all live in br? Maybe one day we could all meet up to talk about markets, options etc. Hard to find ppl interested and knowledgeable about these things here. That might be a cool thing
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2493 posts
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:04 pm to
Jag, I’d love to meet up, but personally think those Najarian twins are full of shite… haha. There’s a reason they need to sell books and go on cnbc. I respect you though. Those guys ain’t killing it trading wise
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2975 posts
Posted on 4/14/23 at 5:03 pm to
I'm close enough to BR, and always up for talking shop...
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 4/15/23 at 9:34 am to
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Honest question and not trying to sound like a jackass but how could 500k in a trading account allow you to retire? How old are you? I’m in my 30s with kids


No, not taken that way at all. I know the question was directed at Brobocop, but like you said, everyone has different situations. I’m in my late 50s. No kids. No wife currently, but I’ll soon be getting married (for the first time). She’s already retired and neither of us has much debt. She has her own retirement income and needs nothing from me. I began buying rental real estate in the mid 80s and have several other income streams. But here’s the moment I realized I needed to make this trading plan happen. I was sitting in a hotel room at Caesar’s Paris last year, getting ready to head down to the investors conference. While there, I had already opened and closed enough trades that I’d about equaled what I would have made at work. And just like the 80s, 90s and other times when I’ve made major moves, the Talking Heads “This Must Be the Place” began playing in my head (also a pivotal moment in “Wall Street”). So in my case, if I could build this plan out well enough that I could feel financially comfortable enough to trade from anywhere in the world (we both like to travel), why not make it happen? My only real vice is the expense of taking my cars to VA International Raceway a few times a year. So our expenses and (true) responsibilities are very limited.

But if my financial or family situation was different, my plans might not be the same.

Any time you guys would like to get together and we can be in a convenient spot, I’m open to it. Would be fun and interesting.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 4/15/23 at 8:11 pm to
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personally think those Najarian twins are full of shite… haha.


Can’t really argue with that. But I guess I’ve just always found “characters” to be interesting. I’m not into his game, but we had a good chat. The picture of me with Jon Najarian will go in the cabinet with the picture of me with the infamous Dave del Dotto back in the 80s, and a few others I’ve met over the years. I would have taken a pic with Dog the Bounty Hunter while in Vegas too… but I couldn’t look at that little fellow without laughing (where/when I grew up, a man wearing high heeled cowboy boots, makeup and hair extensions just didn’t fly).

If/when we can meet up, I’ll give $100 bucks to anyone who can produce El Gaucho - that’s another character I’d like to see in real life.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21278 posts
Posted on 4/15/23 at 8:44 pm to
Fascinating stuff on here lately!
I’m looking for my AUPH 13 calls to expire worthless this Friday.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:36 am to
Were those short or covered calls you had?
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